Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 01 2006,11:21)Hi RR, What I do know is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.All other sonship bows to this fact in my view.Scripture also tells me he is the Son of David and since his father was God it is as the foster child of Joseph.The people of the time clearly believed that Joseph was his physical father as it was…[Read more]

NickYou ask questions all the time and I try my best to answer them yet you have not answered the questions asked of you.  Here they are once again.  Please be courteous and reply to them.Quote From Me:The OT prophesies repeatedly state that the Messiah will come from the 'seed of David'.  How do you deal with this?From WhatIsTrue:Did the pr…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 30 2006,21:37)Hi RR,In what way was the Word spoken through the prophets WITH God, and God  in the beginning??NickIn the beginning was the wordIn the beginning YHWH had many thoughts/plans that would come to be as he spoke them into being.  Some things came into being sooner than others (YHWH speaking creation into b…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2006,03:11)Hi RR,What does “coming in the flesh” mean to you?Is it another way of saying “being born” to you?Is that what scripture is really saying?We always have to search for the true meanings, even in the manuscripts if need be, rather than just choosing a suitable translation of a verse. What of my other…[Read more]

I am in agreement with Elidad.  I don't believe Yahshua existed in any form before his birth but I do believe he existed in the mind/plan/thought of God and was spoken of by YYWH (the word) through the prophets.  His birth, life and death was the fulfilment of what YHWH had spoken of the one to come.

John 17:5  “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.John 17:24  “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2006,19:40)Hi RR, Your verses:Quote  Luke 1:68  “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people, 69  And has raised up a horn of salvation for us In the house of His servant David, 70  As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets, Who have been since the world began  (NKJV)Luke 1:68  Ble…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 23 2006,10:40)Thanks for your reply RR. I haven't got time to study what you have said but will do soon when I have time and then I will reply.My main concern at the moment is that you say that the Word became flesh means the plan of God became flesh.But we are told that the antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2006,00:21)Hi RR, You say”Luke 1:68  “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,  69  And has raised up a horn of salvation for us In the house of His servant David,  70  As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets, Who have been since eternity, Why is that? What does it mean to y…[Read more]

Quote (Cubes @ July 20 2006,21:08)Greetings RR et al:This has no doubt been discussed before I am sure, but do you mind telling us how you understand the verses relating to the world being made through the only begotten son of God, e.g. John 1, Hebrews 1, Colossians 1.   If he didn't exist before his birth in Bethlehem, how was the world made…[Read more]

Hi Jefe GordoOf all of the translations I have checked, none of them read as you have it but as below.John 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (NKJV)Quote Just to clarify your position…when the Word is said to “become flesh”…[Read more]

Hi Jefe GordoQuote The word became flesh correct?Yes, the word did become flesh.  God’s words (his plan) had been spoken through the prophets many times informing the people that a man, one of their own people, a prophet like unto Moses, from the tribe of Judah and the House of David would be born.  One that would be annointed by God and would spe…[Read more]

t8Mary was found to be with child before they had started living together as husband and wife. If they got married, had relations and Mary then left to visit Elizabeth, they would not have been living together. Taking up residence together was the final step of marriage.The article covers much of this material so to read it might aid the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 19 2006,09:19)To RR.I haven't read this whole discussion so I apologise in advance if this is already covered.But I am wondering how you get around this verse:Matthew 1:18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy…[Read more]

Quote (Jefe Gordo @ July 17 2006,23:27)Everybody,Good discussion. I think RR and WIT have made quality, surprisingly biblical arguments on a topic I assumed to be gnostic nonsense. I guess that shows you the ability of man-made doctrines to suck people in ala the Trinity way of thinking. There have been strong arguments on the opposing side as…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2006,04:42)Hi RR,”….from long ago, from the days of eternity” Micah 5:2 NASB”But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. (NIV]Why is that? What does it mean to you?Perhaps…[Read more]

For those that have found this topic of interest you may wish to read the following articles.  They come from different angles than the one Cubes and I have been discussing.This is the one that was being discussed:http://geocities.com/oneseekinglight/virginbirthOthers offered for your…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2006,23:03)Hi RR, Is Jesus the Son of God, only begotten of God in the beginning?orIs Jesus Christ the Physical son of God?orIs Jesus Christ only a man and a son of God by title?or Is Jesus Christ only a man and a son of God by obedience?If you only accept either of the last two options then he is not truly a son of…[Read more]

Quote Hi RR,Could I ask for clarification on this one particular point:That you believe that Joseph is the physical father of Jesus in that Joseph knew his wife and the outcome was Jesus.t8Yes, I believe that Joseph had sexual relations with Mary and that Yahshua is their child.  Quote If you don't know the answer then that is fine. No one here…[Read more]

Quote Hi RR and WIT,Just as soon as you will acknowledge that Jesus Christ is truly the Son of God we can move on to how the God, who can make children of Abraham from “these stones”, brought His son through the line of David. NickThe question you have asked has already been answered by myself and WIT previously in this topic in a discussion with…[Read more]