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What can I say Samual but – Let it be!

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord be with you

RS

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High Nick

I try to asume nothing. But you are right, the final place of men will be the earth as it always has been. BUT THOSE WHO WERE ONCE MEN WILL ENTER HEAVEN. The mansions and rooms are God's by the way as our Lord himself said:

1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.”

Meaning of course he is going to prepare a place in His Father's house for them.

You are showing all the signs of becoming a resistor. Now look that up in the hebrew.

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

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Hi David,

Me thinks you have been copping a roasting while I have been away having Nick pull a log out of my eye, getting a haircut and also watering his camel. However, the scripture he quotes above I indeed intended to discuss with you. Now the point is that while the man who approached was a jew under the law, Our Lord was telling him that if he led his life decently according to the behavoural parts of the Law he would have the prospect of everlasting life on the new earth, because it would shape what he had DONE in this one. It is therefore reasonable to say that if one follows his consciouence and is meek (unaggressive), then he will receive mercy and inherit the earth, which is your hope.

The problem is is that there is no means of certainty for this, for the standard of judgement for the second death is according to God only, and he has not made it privy to us. Why? For as our Lord said and as I have seen on many JW publications themselves, “seek you first the kingdom”. And those who do seek it are forbidden to judge aren't they? Moreover, those who are flesh who passage into the millenium are those of the nations who survive Armageddon are they not? Yet Our Lord will sheppard them with a rod of iron harshly won't he? And some will fall in death during it even though a century old but restored to physical youth, so Isaiah says doesn't he? And satan will lead the majority remaining in the millenium, Gog and Magog against the Holy Ones to a death by fire won't he?

So, what does it profit you to spend much of your time knocking on doors preaching your pearls to those unrighteous who, at the mention of our Lord's name, would trample them into the ground, mistaking them for the pearl among pearls that a man sold all others to buy? David, by recruiting for 24 men who would not offer you what they tell you they have is vanity. I commend you to turn and live a commendable life, or join those who, though they stumble often, serve Christ in spirit and in truth.

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ find you

RS

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Greetings Nick

So you say “Scripture rather offers us in Jesus the mansions of Christ[jn14] till we who are in him return to rule and reign with him on earth [Rev19, Rev 20, rev 21]. Well, I see how a person could come to such a conclusion. And no, I don't think I would cancel your “brother” status with me over it. Yes, one day every place in creation will be our Fathers house. But I commend to you againt the scripture you yourself quoted:

1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.”
5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.
John 14:1-14 (ESV)

Notice that our Lord tells them “3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. But then 12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

So if Christ was going to the Father, and he was later going to bring the Apostles to him when he is with the Father, AND GOD IS ALWAYS IN HEAVEN, then persons once men will enter heaven.

Now I know as you do from Rev 21:2-3 that we are promised that the new Jerusalem will descend to the earth, wherein the throne of the Glorious Majesty is, and God will reside with men, before which those risen in Christ will reside encamped on the earth ruling with Christ for 1000 years until ALL the wicked then on earth will be burned in a firy death (Rev 20:7-10). But the point is that anywhere God resides on his thrown is (the highest) heaven. So then notice:

And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. 26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.
Rev 21:22-26 (ESV)

“And the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it (the new heaven)”. Who are the Kings? They are the body of Christ risen to spirit existance who supervise the earth and go back and forth between the new heaven and the new earth with instructions for men and worship from them. The funny thing is, is that this is the very job Satan once had until he deluded himself, deceived many others and covered as much as he posibly could – we won't!

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord be with you

RS

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Hi Samual And BT

I hear what you are saying BT, and although I will probably be bombarded by all the scripture lawyers around here for saying this, the Apostles and deciples could say 'The kingdom of God is near you' and the like in all honesty because it would be established when the Lord died. At that point it existed and all authorities became subject to him. The next thing to happen was Satan and his angels were cast down to the earth to do their worst until the time of the nations was complete. And we are still in it.

Here are some relevant scriptures:

who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
1 Peter 3:22 (ESV)

“I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Luke 10:18 (ESV)

They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Luke 21:24 (ESV)

Notice Luke 21:24 says among all nations, not just the roman empire. And Jerusalem has been trampled throughout all the ages since, even though the jews were effectively gone for some 1900 years. Think of the crusades, the muslems and such. Now we see ourselves that jews returned to Jerusalem in the years coming up to 1948 and after. But it is not solely in the hands of the jews legally for there is a sharing arrangement in place, not to mention the latest trampling with Hesbalah's rockets. Many make a big toodoo about the return of the jews, and there is something there but I know not what precisely. So we'll leave it alone if you dont mind. For I would only be talking with partial knowledge through a hole in my hat.

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord be with you

RS

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Greetings David, Kerwin & Nick

Firstly, I would like to clear up the matter of Nick's beliefs. For he began a topic called “The Scapegoat”, where he initially showed a certain reticence to declair his beliefs, but just fired back quarzi related scriptures. Now I won't go into it for it is all there for everybody to see, But David has made this charge against you Nick, that you do not believe that any man goes to heaven, ever! Now this is a big deal for me because it flies in the face of everything that Christianity is. No. Really! So, I would ask you if this is indeed true. And I will not accept anything other than a yes or no answer. For if you do otherwise or even nothing, I will consign you to a place of indifference as far as I'm concerned, because anything else is from the evil one.

David, in your reply you said “I am quite content with everlasting life in paradise conditions, as God originally purposed for humans.” Thank you for your candor, so I will do everything I said I would do. But first let me go and find a way to type into something other than this little box and find out how you do those little quoty things.

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord be with you.

RS

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Hi Nick

You mention the principle of 2Cor 13:1. Firstly, it refers to the necessity for the witness of two or three to be necessary to establish a “CHARGE”, that is an accusation. I am not accusing anybody of anything. But I have given you a number of scriptures that I believe support a proposition, one of which from an Apostle that tells us that the Lord after his death did visit a group of angels who had sinned at the time before Noah to preach to them, another of which resides in 2 Peter that I did not quote. Additionally, I have showen you scriptures from the Old Tastament that establish that God required the high priest to make an atonement for a person named Azazel. Now you have contented yourself with casting unrelated scripture at me, denying the meaning of scriptures I have quoted which are self evident, and generally attempted to win a point through gainsaying, all due to the fact that that you hold as inspired certain psuedopigraphic writings as truth and righteous, which only hang on the belief they were quoted by Jude the Obscure, a fact that given certain differences, such as the number of angels that will acompany Our Lord, I do not yet subscribe to.

Now I know that the conveiner of this site places great weight on the book of Enoch, only just stopping short of calling it inspired, or so his writing indicates, but there is something a bit each way in his words. The problem is that it is either scripture or it is not, for to proceed otherwise is confusion, a thing that Satan rejoices in in his work of covering. Moreover, I defy any man in this time to claim he has the right and power to redefine the canons of the OT, which Enoch is perhaps contempory with) or the NT for that matter, which Enoch could not be placed in for it is not contempraneous.

How do I expect you to accept a thing based on dubious interpretation you say. Well, that is for you to decide, what is dubious I mean – but you can only decide for and unto yourself and not for others, otherwise you are judging. For you will believe what you will believe, and I will believe what I think the Spirit has shown me. But in the end we both will stand corrected about many things before the Lord.

Accordingly, let us cease before our vanity causes sin and unrighteousness, for I care more about you and I keeping the central tenets of our faith than winning something from a man. For attempting to break a man's faith using the very words of God is indeed a sin from which we cannot return

May the undeserved kindness from our Lord be with you. RS

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Regards David and Nick, and others

Nick, I will leave the quoting of scripture mostly to you, for you do well on the behalf of the Holy Ones in this regard. But David, I do not mean Nick is not a Holy One but that he is a particular Holy One doing a particular service in behalf of his Lord and holy brothers in this instance. He is also right when he mentions the addresses in these scriptures are in the mode of speach called a parallelism, which was a jewish writing form Paul would have learned most likely as a pharasee. However, it was not just a style of writing, but also a means Paul used to show us the structure of the church, or more correctly inside it. In fact the old testament is full of it, for the Israelites found that in using it they could fit meaning both in the words and between them. And I would like to say that it is those who are Holy Ones who pick up these nuances just as a matter of course through the Holy Spirit within them. But alas, we are talking to one of flesh only here, who will understand it only in the way he has been taught using the wisdom of men.

Now I have had these discussions on the earthly hope with JWs at my door many times. And it is hard to overcome the training they have received, by answering the questions in the little writing at the bottom about what is said in the big writing directly above, in each and every watchtower. Accordingly, I think the only way to at least help them to see the free and glorious gift our Lord has offered any who would ask is to sidestep the arena of this type of debate and to appeal to the sence of honesty anyone who claims to be a christian must by definition have.

Accordingly, you David would consider me even worse than those who ignore the existance of God altogether, because I actively preach a gospel that is contra to things that the society has taught is “truth”, and am therfore, at this time, a son of Satan. However, if you would snatch me out of the fire, would you answer me two questions directly and in all honesty as follows:

If there is a heavenly hope and an earthly hope, why do you personally settle for or limit yourself to an earthly hope?

I know that you believe there are only a handfull of those with a heavenly hope now living. What attributes do they possess that places them in this class that you do not have.

I have been honest in my feelings towards your testing of my faith that you believe at least wrong and at worst blasphemy, and feel I have answered your tests on these scriptures in a general way. So, as I appeal to God to lead you to the only certain reward he offers, I would ask you for the same kindness in answering these matters.

Regards

RS

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Greetings BT

Yes BT, I do like you in a funny sort of texty way.

RS

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Greetings David and All

I agree with Kerwin and 942767 and GB and, err, Nick. (Now that wasn't hard self was it!) Those who have the Spirit are all Holy Ones, and those who do not or do not yet are not. This applies to now and to the congregations in the 1st century. For the Lord said “You must seek the Kingdom first”, both first before any thing else under the covenant and first before any other form of Grace or mercy. There is only one covenant, and that is for The Kingdom. I still feel David that you are after an opportunity to prove the grossly false doctrine of “an earthly hope”.
Now I and Kerwin and 942767 and GB and Nick would joyfully welcome you to become a Holy One and enter the Kingdom. So ask yourself why in the name of everything that is on earth and in heaven (I always wanted to say that) would the 24 faceless men deny it to you if they did not have a hidden agenda.

But if you would rather argue scripture than receive the love of God, Jesus Christ and the brothers, then I will argue scripture.

May You Have The Undeserved Kindness Of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
RS

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Hi Nick

I have shown you scriptures that say God has offered these angels mercy, but on certain conditions – that they accept Christ as Lord thus severing any ties to Satan they may or may not have had. Now I do not know their decision, for the scriptures do not tell me. However, if they rejected the word of our Lord then they will be judged acordingly and a sentence of destruction in the lake of fire will be carried out, until which time they remain in prison.

Yes, it is true that Satan and his demonic angels have been judged and then immediately thrown to the earth to serve Gods purpose in the same way Pharoah did, also until the sentence is carried out at the end of the millenium. Although Revelations seems to me to say Satan's demons will go before that, but I'm not sure.

Now I know that my proposition would be contrary to your belief that the book of Enoch may be inspired scripture that says Azazel is denied mercy, and you are unwilling to compromise on this. All I know is that Leviticus is beyond doubt inspired, as is Peter, and it will be a long arguement indeed before you could convince me to take Enoch over them.

May the undeserved kindness from our Lord be with you. RS

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Greetings All

You are right 942767. We will commit sins until we die in this tent and temporary dwelling, but in my experience less and less so as the Spirit teaches and corrects us. But it is our flesh that continues to sin in its efforts to satisfy it's hungers and lusts. He who is born again has had his sins prior to that point erased with the blood of Christ, which continues it's work so long as we do not PRACTISE sin and continue to confess the day to day sins we do so they can be carried by the Spirit from our spirit (which is free of sin) to Our Lord the High Priest who intercedes on our behalf. Practising sin means sin planned and put into effect over time and not renounced through prayer in repentence, whereby we as spiritual salt lose our saltiness and end up grieving (ie lying to) the Holy Spirit, which is withdrawn and we are cut off. Do not let anyone fool you, he who says he does not sin because he has received the riches of God and Christ is a liar (1 John 1:10).

Now I confess that I lied to a shopkeeper the other day, trying to get a better deal. I now confess this sin, I ask now for forgiveness through my Lord and am committed to eliminate this tendency within me – With the aid of the Holy Spirit through my Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord be with You

RS

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Greetings Nick, Kerwin and others,

Now I have resisted the urge to enter the discussion on THE GOSPEL for fear of being battered around the head again with scripture after scripture, all to no avail towards agreement, which is vanity. However, I have been listening within myself and have come to the conclusion that I must say to you things as I see them, whether by Spirit or my own need I do not know. But here goes.

It is clear to me that the quotings of scripture here on either side of an issue often fail to to establish agreement because we often confuse apples and oranges. That is to say one scripture is quoted to establish proposition A and is countered with another which really relates to propositon B or vice versa. And in this topic, the main problem is “covenants'. So, let me list the Great covenents, as they are argued according to their properties in historical order.

Covenant When Type Purpose Duration Between

Noah After Flood Blood The Earth never Destroyed by water again Forever God and all men
Abraham After Isaac Offered Blood Establishes Faith as Righteousness Forever God and Abraham and Christ
The Law Sinai Blood Daily Supervision Until Christ Until No Daily Blood God and All Israelites
Christian Jews Death Of Christ Innocent Blood Offers Israelites New Covenant Exclusively Temple Destroyed God and All Righteous Israelites & proselites
Christian Death Of Christ Innocent Blood Offers All Men New Covenant Forever God and All Righteous Men In Christ

Now you can be picky picky over this if you like, but please offer your forebearance because this is only yet a table if you will.

Covenant With Noah
This simply guaranteed that God would never destroy the earth again by water. But it is also symbolic as the first baptism and also is a prophacy that God would never allow the sea, that is wicked mankind, to destroy the earth. So put away your bombs boys (LOL).

Covenant With Abraham
This is a covenant that regulates faith in God. It says that the believer in accordance with HIS name itself, confesses that God will do everything that he says He will do – Forever. It is open to all, and those who accept it become friends of God and WILL AGAIN LIVE. The only thing to be argued is to what station/rank/order for each. But it includes such as Abraham, Moses, Samuel, David, Daniel and the prophets and, yes, Our Lord Jesus himself . It's hallmark is obedience, particularly in adversity threatening death.

The Law Covenant
Now the very first prophesy says that the woman would bring forth her offspring who would defeat Satan in protracted travail. And this very period of travail corresponds to the time of the Law. Who is the woman you ask? It is those very people qualifid under the Covenant of Abraham. GOD'S WIFE (and the crowd roared Kill Him Kill Him! I hear you lawyers say). I will not go into it now for we are talking more about covenants, but she is talked about in Isaiah, Jeramiah and Revelations among others. As Paul tells us, the law was put in place as a supervisor until He who was legally entitled arrived to carry out the promise made to Abraham that all the nations would be blessed through Him. Yes, the Law would not save anybody. But notice from Paul, the covenant of Abraham was also in effect over the Law's duration. Refer Gal 3:15-21 above. Was the Law useless if it could not save. No indeed. For it's main function among other things was to produce (if you will) the Messiah himself. It supervised his fleshly ancestors towards his birth, e.g. Boaz. To finish on the Law, you will note that the temple was destroyed twice, and both times the daily sacrifices were ceased, the first of course during the captivity to Babylon. And it was the covenamt of Abraham that sustained the righteous Israelites in that place until the temple could be rebuilt.

Christian Jew Covenant
It was through their birthright as God's first nation/son that The jews were entitled to be offered the Kingdom first (and the crown roared Blasphemy , Kill him, not so). But, as a nation they rejected it as they had rejected God himself many times before. But it was God who was faithful, and so it was done, the offering that is. There was a promising start, for many believed when the Lord spoke and gave them the miracles. But He knew it would not last, even then taking steps to go beyond the lost sheep of Israel to whom only He was sent, in that he gave the right and responsibility to establish the church to his apostles before He died. As for the Jews, they were given a crossover period of grace if you like, until the temple would be destroyed and they would be cut off, both from the Kingdom and again the land that they had received by lots. But non-jews received Holy Spirit before 70 AD I hear you say in objection. To which I reply, they were proselites in the land and just as entitled as Jews.

The Christian Covenant
The Christian Covenant went forth from the moment of our Lord's death. The Order commenced with Peter, who was early on sometimes a Christian jew and later a Christian and sometimes something in between. Now some say that this Covenant began with Paul through his commission at the words of Our Lord that we are not privy to. For what the man in Straight Street told him is reserved for us in the future. But even Paul when he first went to the lands of the gentiles preached “To the Jew First And Also The Greek”. And again, many of these Greek speaking people were proselites in the synagogs. But it is clear that the Lord had instructed him that the Christian Jewish Law covenant was not for the Gentiles, because he preached this without the prior permission of the Apostles, until ratified through Peter at what is called the first council of Jerusalem. But while a new covenant, this was not a new Gospel, for it was decided that in addition to loving God, loving your neighbour (everybody), refraining from (eating) blood/strangled animal/food offered to idols and also proscribed (in the law) sexual offences, all things totally consistant with our Lord's teachings (sorry sabath keepers). And so, the temple was destroyed, the Law covenant and the Jewish Christian covenant ceased and we are left with what we know.

Now what is this all about you say? We know all this and even agree with some. All I am saying is that when you talk or write, know the difference between Gospel and covenent, and the difference between covenant and covenant that a particular scripture relates to and specify. That way we may love one another and even establish something.

May you have the undeserved kindness of Our Lord Jesus Christ

RS

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Hi Nick

Now Now, it was you who placed this scripture:

Do angels receive pardon?
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

And as I said, they were not and still have not been “terminated”. What is so difficult to understand about “reserved” (put aside for later attention) and

“judgement” (declared by due authority to be one thing or another)?

And Luke 16, what part – you mean this one:

3 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, 4 and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”
Luke 17:2-4 (ESV)

It's like I said, the justice of our God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. I pretty much think you have proved my point here.

May the undeserved kindness from our Lord be with you. RS

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Greetings Kerwin

We had been discussing the acceptability my baptism over a few posts after you invited me here from “context”, which raised the question of whether or not I had indeed received Holy Spirit. As a result, I offered to demonstraight my belief that I had in a post on the 26th, as follows:

< Now I have something for Kerwin as a demontration of how the Holy Spirit has worked within me. There is a scripture in the Law of Moses that I read many times and passed over it as not being very significant. But one day I decided I wanted to know what it meant. And after asking some who are better than I who could not help, I prayed for knowledge of it's meaning. And the scripture is this:

“You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.
Ex 23:19 (ESV)

It appears three times in the OT, including Ex 34:26 and Deut 14:41. For on the witness of two or three a thing is established. Now we know that many of those under the law did comply as the pharasaic or othodox Jews did at the time of our Lord and do even today, as they use different utensils for milk and lamb/goat as part of kosher food handling rules to utterly avoid the possibility of breaching this law. The problem is that it had less to do with cooking and was more a prophacy and a warning, even indirectly for us today.

So, if you are interested to hear one case of the work of the holy spirit, I would first ask you what the scripture means.>

Accordingly, have you considered the matter?

RS

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Greetings Samual and BT

You sly old dog BT (LOL), using my own vanity against me to lure me back into the arguement like that – OK, I'm Guilty!

However, I agree with Sam on all things in this matter. I read what the many preterists believe about our age now in a synopsis on a page on another site, for I can find nothing about such a thing in my three Bibles. So, if you are a preterist of a particular type, what do you believe is the status of this age (lost tribes of Christ perhaps), and what is your reference of authority.

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord be with you

RS

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Hi Nick

Now Now, it was you who placed this scripture:

Do angels receive pardon?
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

And as I said, they were not and still have not been “terminated”. What is so difficult to understand about “reserved” and

“judgement”?

And Luke 16, what part – you mean this one:

3 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, 4 and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”
Luke 17:2-4 (ESV)

It's like I said, the justice of our God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. I pretty much think you have proved my point here.

May the undeserved kindness from our Lord be with you. RS

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Hi Nick

About 2 Peter 2:4, I for mine place the emphasis on “Judgement”, that is, they are YET to be judged. So, why did he not destroy them then and there if angels will not have the potential to be forgiven. There is no other possible reason for our Lord to have visited them – perhaps to check that their chains were tight enough? Now I'm not saying whether they will be released or not, for only God knows. I believe as I think you believe that pre-deluge persons and even the demonstrably wicked people of Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a trial based on what they did, for the Lord tells us that they will get a better reception that Chorazin and Capernaum because these saw in him the flesh doing the works of his father and did not believe.

It's all about equality in justice and judgement. For who am I, who has done my fair share of lusting after the ladies when I had no entitlement to do so, to judge Azazel.

About Enoch. I put my toe in, and it was aweful cold, and I do not know if I am wise enough to handle where it would take me. We have enough trouble with Mat 24 for Heaven's sake!

May the undeserved kindness from our Lord be with you. RS

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