Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2007,05:26)Hi Is1.18,I see what you mean but he was not spoken of as a prince as prophetic.If so the reference to Michael as a prince was also prophetic.Ok now Im confused LOLIs… Nick has me confused. I assume you know what he is talking about.

Hi AdamQuote Col 1.16 like Heb 1.10 is speaking of the new heavens and earth, the Coming Kingdom of GOD, hence,(Col 1:16)  … visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:The context is about the thrones, dominions, principalities, & powers to come in the…[Read more]

Hi IsOk, in the bible Michael is referred to being the Prince at least 3 times that I know of in Daniel. He was a prince, your prince and the Great Prince. Isaiah speaks of the Prince of Peace. So is it wrong for me to think that maybe these 2 prophets are speaking of the same person? Actually, Daniel refers to Jesus and Michael both being a…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 25 2007,03:44)Hi Phoenix,From Strong's ConcordanceG758archōnar'-khonePresent participle of G757; a first (in rank or power): – chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.Check a few different translations and you'll see the Greek word 'archon' basically means first in order of rank or power, a chief or ruler…[Read more]

Hi NickNot at all. I was reading it as a parallel to Michael. That was all. You know me being a newbie in all this I honestly do find that the bible contradicts itself. I honestly cant wait till I understand it all. If it ever happens.HugsPhoenix

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2007,03:03)Hi P,So?To be a prince of princes is to be one who rules over the angelic princes just as the king of Kings rules over kings.Likewise the one called messiah prince, the unique, firstborn and the greatest being under God rules over all earthly kings as king of kings.LOL so?? seriouslyIt says, and the prince…[Read more]

but Nick it says in scripture that He is the prince of kings too

And what of this?Rev 1:5 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood

Did you even read every word that was in my post? man that was quick lol

Im confused with this then.Zec 3:1,2 1And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Compare withJude…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2007,22:49)Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 24 2007,21:07)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2007,20:44)Hi P, Christ is the firstborn monogenes Son. He was before all things with God in the beginning. Angels are created beings-created by God-through the Son.Heb 1-2 contrasts him with the angels which includes Michael.Hi NickWhere…[Read more]

Hmm… the word through is what separates the phrase and shows us a definition of two beings. I wonder if it was even there in the old text

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 24 2007,21:06)To be honest Phoenix, I don't think i'm alone in seeing that paradoxical contradiction in the Watchtower assertion that Jesus is MTA incarnate. If Yeshua really was the maker of ALL things (as John 1:3 and Col 1:16 affirm), He then is precluded from being a created “thing”. Therefore He cannot be Michael.Hi…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2007,20:44)Hi P, Christ is the firstborn monogenes Son. He was before all things with God in the beginning. Angels are created beings-created by God-through the Son.Heb 1-2 contrasts him with the angels which includes Michael.Hi NickWhere did you get the word Monogenes from because LOL I did a dictionary search and the…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 24 2007,20:50)Yeshua = CreatorMichael = CreatedOne cannot be the other…..Bleh Of course you would think that. No wonder I didnt understandHugs

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2006,20:21)Hi M, A prince is a being with authority. A prince is surely the son of a king. A prince derives it's being from a king. A prince has authority derived from his sonship of the king. A prince may inherit the throne. Princes are the family of the king. The firstborn prince is first to inherit. In Daniel…[Read more]

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2007,20:29)Hi P,Christ is indeed the Prince of peace and the Prince of life. He is also Messiah the Prince and The Prince of Princes. This is not just my opinion but scriptural.Hi NickQuote Michael is spoken of mostly in Daniel. In Daniel 12 Michael is called THE GREAT Prince…Not A prince. He is also identified as…[Read more]

Quote Therefore He cannot logically be the maker of all things and a thing at the same timeCome again??

Morning NickI knew you'd pick these up for me. In a way you are right.In the bible Michael is called the Prince. In the bible Jesus is also called the Prince.Michael is spoken of mostly in Daniel. In Daniel 12 Michael is called THE GREAT Prince…Not A prince. He is also identified as one who “standeth for the children of thy people”. Is this…[Read more]