Hi NickUm…. so this word 'conceive' is not the same conceive we know of?HugsPhoenix

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2007,08:19)Hi P, Fair enough. But the whole of Hebrews 1-2 contrasts the Christ with the angels. Above them and for a while below them but NEVER as them.Hi NickI see what you mean and Im at a stump at that point. So, if he wasnt God and wasnt an Angel, then what was he?He wasnt Son of God until he was begotten (became…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 15 2007,21:37)Hi, Jesus was not an angel before he came and he did not take on the angelic nature but the human.Hebrews 2:16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.Hi NickAm I wrong to say that I think you took that scripture out of context? Because I dont see that verse…[Read more]

I think this is the way John speaks because here is another verse… 6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.HugsPhoenix

Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 27 2007,07:10)Actually, I don't see how it proves anything of the sort.  It was THROUGH him that things were made……but how?  In other words, “how” was it THROUGH him that things were made?Was it through a plan, or vision, or hope?  Was it literally ,or physically?  Too many options, see?  So which one is based on the whol…[Read more]

Hi T8Quote If Jesus didn't preexist then God loved the idea of Christ.But you know he did preexistQuote If Jesus preexisted, then God loved Christ before the creation of the world. Ahh then… who or what was christ before the creation of the world?HugsPhoenix

Yep what Nick said alsoJohn 1:3 which proves he was helping to build… 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Hugs

Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 27 2007,04:16)Nick worte:Was satan existing with God and in rebellion before Eden?Were there sons of God who watched the laying of earth's foundations?************************I've no idea.  To be honest, these are not subjects that interest me at the present.However, God tells us that when he laid the foundations of the…[Read more]

I never thought of the Trinity as an Idol lol. But if you say so..

Hi NIck.I read that verse meaning we are not to make idols.HugsPhoenix

So in other words Not3in1, Nick is sayin you are rightHugs

Quote (Adam Pastor @ Mar. 25 2007,11:59)Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 25 2007,11:48) Errm… You seem to have confused the terms Past & Present tense with the Future tense 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things we…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2007,09:56)Hi P, The unique and only begotten son, the image of God Himself.Greater than all the angels including the other sons of God.Hi NickOk, lets put aside the angels… so who are the 'other' sons of God?HugsPhoenix

Hi CharityWow you sound beautiful the way you speak. Its unfortunate I can never quite make sense of what you are saying half the time. HugsPhoenix

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2007,05:48)Hi Is 1.18″Number 8269Transliteration:sar {sar} Word Origin:from 8323TWOT:2295aPart of Speech:noun masculineUsage in the KJV:prince 208, captain 130, chief 33, ruler 33, governor 6, keeper 3, principal 2, general 1, lords 1, misc 4Total: 421Definition:prince, ruler, leader, chief, chieftain, official,…[Read more]

Quote (Adam Pastor @ Mar. 25 2007,10:34)Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 25 2007,05:17)Hi AdamQuote Col 1.16 like Heb 1.10 is speaking of the new heavens and earth, the Coming Kingdom of GOD, hence,(Col 1:16)  … visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:The…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 25 2007,09:05)It's generally understood that these sons of God (“bene elohim”) are angels, not God's begotten progeny.Many believe the Sons of God were fallen angels who corrupted mankind.”http://creationwiki.org/Nephilim“The actual expression “sons of God,” bene elohim, occurs explicitly three other times, all in the very…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote Before the foundations of the earthj were laid God had sons.I assume you were talking about Ps 38:7 7 while the morning stars sang together       and all the angels shouted for joy? Job 38:7 Hebrew the sons of God But if you were talking about Job 38:21 21 Surely you know, for you were already born!       You have lived so many…[Read more]

Well WJ is right. Jesus became the Son of God when he was born. Before Jesus was 'begotten', Nick, who or what do you honestly think Jesus was before he was sent to us?Hugs

Ohhh man…. someone did warn me that the Bible can make you go crazy