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[PaulCohen]

For those who are interested and want to know the answer to Mike's question, you can find it on page one of this thread, particularly in the section entitled: Christ Exposes Man's Polluted Doctrine.

But those like Mike who are only interested in their polluted pet doctrines don't read or consider what is set before them, just as Mike proves by posing a question that's already answered and avoiding answering pertinent material that is personally directed to him.

[PaulCohen]

So you don’t want to converse like a responsible human being, much less answer for yourself like a responsible Christian. Duly noted, Mike. You can’t answer without exposing yourself for the phony you are.

You are not alone in your self-delusion and aggrandizing tendencies. Many seek showcases to display their ignorance, which they have also mistaken for knowledge. But the wise will know the difference. And wisdom can only be received through and from Jesus Christ. He is the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It doesn’t get more all-encompassing than that.

Paul
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com

[PaulCohen]

Mike, I am interested in talking to you as one human being to another, but not in your artificial debate parameters. Your actions and suggestions are cowardly and dishonest.

You responded to Dennison’s posting of our writing on this forum, and I answered you, point by point. If you aren’t Christian enough to reasonably answer for yourself, even regarding your own objections that you brought up, then you have already lost the “debate” and will leave as impoverished as you came. Only now, you are called into account before God and Christ for your empty and belligerent words.  

I also asked you a number of questions about the really important matter of your personal relationship with God through the Lord Jesus Christ, and you ignored those. Is that because you don’t have one? We know the answer, but I ask for your sake.

Demonstrate to us your claimed “peace and love,” address what is already on the table in this forum, respectfully answer the questions, and we will see where we go from there.

Paul Cohen
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com

[PaulCohen]

Mike, you write:

“If your belief is shaky, then you must post volumes and volumes of text to make it ‘sound’ good.”

That’s not always true. If you were applying that to the beliefs of Kenneth Leckey, AP Adams, and so many other nominal Christians who espouse the “trinity,” then you could be right. But you aren’t correct applying that to us (if you are) when we take these propagandists of false doctrine to task, refuting them point by point.

It’s true, however, that I don’t need a lot of words to destroy the “trinity” or to answer your challenge. The answers are quite simple, but that doesn’t mean you will believe or receive them. The problem for you isn’t one of sufficient intellect and logic to comprehend the simple, but of a nature that cannot receive or comprehend the things of God. You haven’t been born again of Christ, which makes understanding the things of God impossible for you. How can you comprehend the Kingdom of Heaven, without knowing the King?

Let me start my answer with your signature line:

“'Who has a claim against me that I must pay?  Everything under heaven belongs to me.’ – Jehovah God”

Who do the Scriptures say is “Jehovah God”? Jesus Christ, of course!

“And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given to Me in Heaven and in earth. Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen” (Matthew 28:18-20 MKJV).

Jesus speaks with all the authority of God, in His Name (indicating His Nature), acting as God in our lives. And there is no separation in Him, as if there are different entities communicating with us. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. There is “one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, Who is above all, through all, and in you all” (Ephesians 4:5-6).

How is God through all and in all who believe? By His Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, which is to say, the Lord Jesus Christ:

“…which is His [Christ’s] body, the fullness of Him Who fills all in all” (Ephesians 1:23 MKJV).

For those who think there is a new-fangled New Testament formula for God, the prophet Isaiah spoke of the one true God, Who has many titles but one Name, long before Christ appeared:

“For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6 MKJV).

Your objection about Stephen seeing Jesus Christ, “but only the GLORY of God,” is simple to answer: Seeing Jesus Christ IS seeing the glory of God:

“Who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence…” (Hebrews 1:3 MKJV).

“…and that every tongue may confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:11 EMTV).

The upshot is that Stephen saw only one God, to Whom he prayed:

“So they stoned Stephen, while he prayed, ‘Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.’ Then, rising on his knees, he cried aloud, ‘Lord, do not reckon this sin against them.’ And with these words he fell asleep” (Acts 7:59-60 WNT).

Paul also saw only one God too, the Lord Jesus Christ, in regards to your question/objection about the following Scripture:

“…but there is to us only one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through Whom are all things, and we by Him” (1 Corinthians 8:6 MKJV).

Paul wasn’t talking about God being two entities, but about how God has manifested Himself to us in Christ in order to make us in His image. Paul knew that Jesus Christ is God and unequivocally said so:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 MKJV).

Paul also knew that not all professors of faith know these things:

“But this knowledge is not in all” (1 Corinthians 8:7 MKJV).

Mike, let me ask you a practical question. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, speaking with all authority of God? Do you hear His voice and obey Him as Lord? If that were so, why would this other matter to you at all? From your perspective as His creature, what difference is there between the Lord Jesus Christ and God?

I have another series of questions for you: Do you have eternal life now, or do you expect to receive it after you die and get resurrected? Will you be resurrected? Are you sure? What makes you sure? Your beliefs and obedience? What if you’re wrong? Do you have any guarantees? Will it be too late to find out then? Do you believe one can know in this life or not?

[PaulCohen]

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Subject: Why do you threaten death to everyone who disagrees?
From:    “Asana Bodhitharta”
Date:    Sat, November 27, 2010 9:38 pm
To:      [email protected]
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Every story I read on your site ends with you warning someone of doom and
you even record some things that have occured to others as to say what you
said came to pass, but heck you yourselves just got swindled out of lumber
should someone else suggest that as righteous judgement upon you? I
certainly have not finished with both Victor and Paul(Victor mainly
because he is the authority of the others) I have told you several times
that you should listen and hear me as I have been sent to you to rectify
where you are going wrong but If you keep making these prophecies against
others how will you explain your complete lack of authority concerning me?
The only explanation and hear the Spirit speak:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not,
nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but
the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of
him.
Deuteronomy 18:21-22

[PaulCohen]

Hi Shimmer,

You say you don’t know who we are or how many of us there are. Victor and I have posted on this forum, but we certainly are not alone:

Hebrews 12:22-24 MKJV
(22)  But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(23)  to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(24)  and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

You also disagree that Ed has never known the Lord Jesus Christ. Let’s put it this way: His present ways and actions demonstrate that he is in total darkness. You said it well yourself: He listens to no one, including the Scriptures.

Now, the children of Light hear the Word of God and the testimony of His saints. They don’t walk in darkness, but if they do sin or are in error, they will hear and receive correction. Not so with Ed. With him there is no receptivity except to his pet doctrine. There is no recognition whatsoever that the Light even exists.

What is your explanation for this? Do you believe he was enlightened by the Spirit of God and Light of all men, Jesus Christ, but has since fallen away?

We don’t see that. We see a man who only has an intellectual and carnal faith, because he has never been born from above or escaped the pollutions of this world. As bad as his present condition is (and it is bad, taking the Name of Christ in vain), it would be even worse had Ed once known the Lord, as Peter describes:

2 Peter 2:20-22 MKJV
(20)  For if they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the full knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and are again entangled, they have been overcome by these, their last things are worse than the first.
(21)  For it would have been better for them not to have fully known the way of righteousness, than fully knowing it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
(22)  But the word of the true proverb has happened to them: The dog turning to his own vomit; and, The washed sow to wallowing in the mire.

The Lord, by Whom we have been born again and have been given eyes to see, certainly didn’t refrain from publicly indentifying the religious imposters of His day and unequivocally declaring their origin. The words He spoke to them are no less applicable when spoken today by His children, regarding those such as Ed and Bod:

John 8:42-45 MKJV
(42)  Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love Me, for I went forth and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
(43)  Why do you not know My speech? Because you cannot hear My Word.
(44)  You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(45)  And because I tell you the truth, you do not believe Me.

As members of His Body, Shimmer, we have the same abilities as our Head. He is doing the works in us, no different from when the Father did the works in Him. Jesus Christ is the Mediator between God and man, Who makes the life of God possible and real in us. It is imperative that you know what this means in practical terms, or you are falling short of His salvation. Denying His Presence and reality, you take the antiChrist position, which is denying His coming in the flesh – in us, in man.

Judging by what you have posted here, you are the only one who is seeing anything at all, but you need to keep going. Otherwise you will fall short of entering into the life Jesus Christ comes to give to all of those who love His appearing.

You aren’t interpreting Peter properly concerning the coming of the Lord. He was calling those who questioned it “scoffers,” not those who proclaimed it:

“First, knowing this, that there will come in the last days scoffers walking according to their own lusts and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation” (2 Peter 3:3-4 MKJV).

The Lord is, was, and is to come. He comes now, Shimmer, to judge the world, beginning with the counterfeit and presumptuous ones, against whom we speak at The Path of Truth. This brings us back to who we are and how many there are of us:

Jude 1:14-15 EMTV
(14)  Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
(15)  to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly among them about all their ungodly deeds which they have committed impiously, and about all the harsh words which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

Paul Cohen

[PaulCohen]

Bod, you complain when we prove the Koran is false, presumably using this quote from our site to buttress your argument:

“Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ“

Your response:

“This is what is written in the Quran:

Behold! the angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.  
(  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)

So in that point you misrepresented the truth and what's more you really show that you have never read nor know anything about the Quran other than to cherry pick from an anti-Islam source.“

Yet the quote that you think to have successfully rebutted is truncated, the full text of which is this:

“Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ, His death, and His resurrection.“

Your argument using Koranic verses is moot according to the complete context of our statement, which, in honesty, you can't deny. In the crucial matter (emphasized in red), the Koran plainly contradicts the testimony of the Scriptures and all of God’s saints who are raised from the dead in Christ and testify by Him to this day, as we do here.

In this one example, you prove everything we have already said about you, doing the very thing you complain against – cherry-picking and taking things out of context, typifying the Muslim mindset that is nurtured by the Koran.

You ridicule Jesus Christ as God, yet claim to be born of His Spirit. How can you be born of God’s Spirit when you deny His only means of conceiving and bringing spiritual children to birth? You are a liar. You aren’t spiritually born from above, in Christ, but from beneath by Satan. He is your father, which explains why you naturally lie as you speak.

“You call God HIS own Christ, have you know sense?”

Malachi 3:1-5 LITV
(1)  Behold, I am sending My messenger [John the Baptizer], and He will clear the way before Me. And the Lord [God] Whom you are seeking shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Angel of the Covenant, in Whom you delight. Behold, He comes, says the LORD of Hosts.
(2)  But who can endure the day of His coming? And who will stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fuller's soap…
(5)  And I [the LORD] will come near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against those swearing to a lie; and against those who extort from the hired laborer's pay; and turning away the widow, and the fatherless, and the alien, and not fearing Me, says the LORD of Hosts.

“And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was no one to uphold; therefore My Own Arm has saved for Me; and My fury upheld Me” (Isaiah 63:5 MKJV).

“‘And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:2-4’”

“If Jesus was God who is Jesus calling THE TRUE GOD?”

Jesus Christ, Whom God has sent.

“Let's make it clear: You believe God came in the FLESH, I believe that Christ , The word of God came in the FLESH.”

Amen; we believe both, because the Word of God is God:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1 MKJV).

John 14:9-11 MKJV
(9)  Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?
(10)  Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works.
(11)  Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves.

That can’t be said of Muhammad, because he wasn’t the express image of God, come in the flesh. His works were of the devil; so are yours.

“Is Jesus the Lord God or not?

The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Exodus 15:2-4

The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isaiah 42:12-14

Do you accept this is not Jesus?”

On the contrary, we proclaim that is Jesus!

Revelation 19:11-16 MKJV
(11)  And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
(12)  And His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head many crowns. And He had a name written, one that no one knew except Himself.
(13)  And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
(14)  And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
(15)  And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.
(16)  And He has on His garment, and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

We come with Jesus Christ, and you are under our rod of iron.

“Did Jesus say this or not?

And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Exodus 32:26-28

Did Jesus say this or not?

Now the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’
1 Samuel 15:17-19

If Jesus did not say these things that the Holy Bible attribute to God then Jesus is not God and if he did say these things please explain them”

Yes; Jesus said those things:

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 MKJV
(1)  And, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea.
(2)  And all were baptized to Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
(3)  and all ate the same spiritual food,
(4)  and all drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank of the spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8 MKJV).

“For I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6 KJV).

Who is the LORD? Jesus Christ is! Amen! And He will demonstrate that with you, Bod, as we have said, and as all will see.

[PaulCohen]

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 02 2010,17:27)

Victor, through his muse Paul: Quote I readily admit there is certainly nothing special about me. Read http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimonies/victor.htm and see for yourself. But when there, you will also see that something very special has happened for me, something quite rare, highly fortunate, which compels me to bring what I have to others. Please don’t feel compelled on our account.   Quote God has made Himself known to me in Jesus Christ/Yeshua HaMashiach. He does speak to me, I have heard His Voice many times, He answers me when I call on Him, and He will most certainly answer between Bod and me. All those in the sidelines and observing will see it (whether they understand what they see or not will be up to Jesus Christ). So your god talks but cannot communicate effectively.   However, you can hear this invisible god clearly while others think you mad for appearing to mumble to yourself and report the voices in your head.  Looks like you believe Jesus actually existed, too.  So do I, I give it about a 60% likelihood. Quote God has spoken many things by me and has given me and those with me many prophecies, visions, and dreams, most of which have come to pass, and the rest will follow in fulfillment in due time. These are things no human being can arrange and no intelligent, reasonable person can deny or refute. So you ARE special after all.   Quote We will be publishing my life story, What the Lord Has Done with Me, of how God has personally dealt with me, and there you will find living proofs of God, totally undeniable. I am sure the gullible and limited will find that fascinating, and you will find it lucrative. Quote Do I expect the bitter and cynical to believe them, though they are indisputable? Not at all! I have learned that people are bound to believe what they will and nothing but the grace of God will move them. I know I was that way; I know all human beings are that way, and that only God can and will change them. I am not that way. Stuart

Stuart, Paul here. God speaks very effectively, both in word and deed. For example, Jesus prophesied that the Temple in Jerusalem would be torn down to the foundation as Jerusalem fell to a hostile nation. Didn’t God make good on His Word, “speaking” very effectively by the events of 70 AD? Yet did the Jews who lost their nation “hear” what was being said, knowing what happened there and why? No. Do we condemn them for being hard of hearing? Not in the least:

“For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, lest you should be wise within yourselves; that blindness in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the nations has come in” (Romans 11:25 MKJV).

We know why this happened to them, and we tell them, because God will now reconcile them to Himself, dealing with the core issue that precipitated their judgment. The presence of the Jews in the land of Israel today is proof of His continuing work of redemption for them and for all of mankind. Read “The Key for Israel and the Jew”:

http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/israel/thekey.htm

We have many personal examples of such occurrences of God’s judgment in our lives and the lives of others, which you can read for FREE when we begin to publish What the Lord has Done with Me in installments on our site.

And what good does it do you to assume evil and accuse others without any basis, Stuart? Do you like others doing that to you? Don’t you think “do unto others” is a good idea? How about getting the facts and finding out the truth before condemning people about whom you know nothing? Isn’t that another good idea?

What happened to make you so bitter and caustic? Are you telling us that you don’t believe what you choose to believe? Haven’t you already demonstrated this to be the case when you choose to believe evil of us, without any basis for doing so?

The Lord Jesus Christ revealed Himself to me in 1978, whereas I had previously been an unbelieving fool like you, minus the bitterness (with no credit for that going to me). He is alive and ruling all things, Stuart, and reveals Himself to whomever He chooses, whenever He chooses, and your time will also come someday. At that time you will be thoroughly ashamed of your obnoxious treatment of your fellow man, and above, all, of your Creator.

[PaulCohen]

Bod wrote to us at our website (ThePathofTruth.com):

What happened? You accepted the invitation to discuss your faulty positions and then simply vanished, you have spent so much time exposing others it is now your turn to be challenged.

If you wish not to engage please remove your false information about Islam

We reply:

Bodhitharta,

We accepted the invitation not to “discuss our faulty positions,” but to speak the truth, which we did. We soon confirmed the complaints of others on that forum that you cannot be reasoned with. Your truth is your truth and anything anyone else says means nothing to you. There is no arguing or discussing with you. You believe you are right, yet you are without reason. You are evasive, contradictory, and trust not in truth, but in tactics of debate and power to persuade.

Furthermore, it was fully evident that you did not read the links we gave you that you might truly hear us out in what we have to say. Had you done so, you wouldn’t have asked the unlearned and repeated questions you did, which, in those links, are answered. That will never do for God, for us or for any reasonable person. However, if still willing, read this entire section:

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm

Not that we expect you to understand, because it is written:

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MKJV
(12)  But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
(13)  These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14)  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(15)  But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
(16)  For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

At one point, we wrote to you: “Those are things [truths] you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him [Jesus Christ]. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.”

You replied:

“Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you”

To which we replied:

“Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.”

We accepted your declaration to let God judge and be a witness between you and us. Like we said, all else was vain with you. Our words repeated: “All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening.”

So why are we responding to you now? We respond to make the record very public and our stand crystal clear for all to witness: According to the words out of your own mouth, to which we agree, God will manifest His judgment as to whose God is the True God, yours, or ours.

So we have absolute confidence by the gift of faith the Lord Jesus Christ has given us to let Him judge between you and us, even as you suggested, if not declared. Shall we not leave it at that and watch? Our God does not need our help. He is quite Sufficient for any task. What think you of yours?

If your Allah is God Almighty, then may you prevail over us and may we be rebuked for our error, but if Jesus Christ is Almighty God and Lord of all, then may you be exposed in your darkness we say you are steeped in.

As for your request of our removing the “false information about Islam,” you don’t specify what precisely we said that was false. However, we reply that Islam IS falsehood, entirely. If there is falsehood about falsehood it would be to say that Islam is truth, which it is not, and we didn’t say it. If we did say it, we would be liars like unto you, who prefer to believe and to speak lies. We give you our Lord’s reply He gave to the unbelieving Jews in His day, to people such as yourself:

“Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I know Him and I keep His Word” (John 8:54-55 MKJV).

Which now brings us to suggest to you that which you request of us, Bod: How about you removing your false information about God and Jesus Christ and true faith? God indeed gave His only begotten Son, the Son you, Muhammad, and all Muslims deny, for the salvation of the world, including yours:

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV).

We have that eternal life even now, with assurance we are His sons because we are born again, forgiven of all our sins, and seated with Him in the Heavens as, and from where, we speak. Islam, Muhammad and Allah can never do this for you or for anyone. Jesus Christ has done it for us. While we commune with Him daily, your Muhammad has not peeped a word. That is simply because Jesus Christ, being God, lives, while Muhammad, but a man, is dead.

That you remove your falsehoods is a suggestion and not a request. We aren’t worried about your public lies. Our God can take care of Himself and soon you will see it, we assure you. But Muslims have this unfortunate, insecure, fear-born belief and disposition that drives them to think they must defend their god, a warring god, a ruthless god, a god that teaches only might to be right, and that only what is good for a Muslim is right.

(Have you red Wafa Sultan’s book, A God Who Hates? She is remarkably incisive and accurate for one who doesn’t believe as we do – at least not that we are aware as yet. Good reading…an eye opener you may wish to pick up.)

We see Muslims throughout the world, rioting in frenzied rage and madness, destroying and being destroyed. Our God is not this monster you have in your minds and hearts. Our God is much greater than that, believe me, and He will show you so, as I have said.

Have we “simply vanished,” as though stumped or defeated? No, you are mistaken, Bod. We are here, neither hiding nor running, and we plan to post all our correspondence with you in its entirety on our site, Lord willing, even though you mistakenly, foolishly presume to have gotten the better of us.  We know otherwise and Jesus Christ our Lord, not we, will prove it to those whom He chooses to grace with truth, peace, and everlasting life. We have exposed others and we have exposed, and will expose, you, as well.

So we have not wished to not engage, except that we have gladly determined to take you up on the words spoken out of your own mouth and have God judge between you and us. You haven’t too long to wait.

Do you have faith in your god that you can leave the matter in his hands, according to your word, “Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you,” as we do with our God, or will you see the necessity to take matters into your own hands, as multitudes of Islamists like you have murde
rously done countless times in your history to this very hour? Should you do so, here is a Word for you from Almighty God, Jesus Christ:

“And if anyone will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed”
(Revelation 11:5 MKJV).

Better you should repent of breaking His Law and trusting in your own righteousness, which, to God, is as filthy menstrual rags. Better to repent, believe, and enjoy eternal life, His love.

Express, though highly unworthy, servants of Jesus Christ, in His perfect, faithful care,

Victor and Paul
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com

[PaulCohen]

Bod wrote to us at our website (ThePathofTruth.com):

What happened? You accepted the invitation to discuss your faulty positions and then simply vanished, you have spent so much time exposing others it is now your turn to be challenged.

If you wish not to engage please remove your false information about Islam

We reply:

Bodhitharta,

We accepted the invitation not to “discuss our faulty positions,” but to speak the truth, which we did. We soon confirmed the complaints of others on that forum that you cannot be reasoned with. Your truth is your truth and anything anyone else says means nothing to you. There is no arguing or discussing with you. You believe you are right, yet you are without reason. You are evasive, contradictory, and trust not in truth, but in tactics of debate and power to persuade.

Furthermore, it was fully evident that you did not read the links we gave you that you might truly hear us out in what we have to say. Had you done so, you wouldn’t have asked the unlearned and repeated questions you did, which, in those links, are answered. That will never do for God, for us or for any reasonable person. However, if still willing, read this entire section:

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm

Not that we expect you to understand, because it is written:

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MKJV
(12)  But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
(13)  These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14)  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(15)  But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
(16)  For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

At one point, we wrote to you: “Those are things [truths] you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him [Jesus Christ]. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.”

You replied:

“Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you”

To which we replied:

“Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.”

We accepted your declaration to let God judge and be a witness between you and us. Like we said, all else was vain with you. Our words repeated: “All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening.”

So why are we responding to you now? We respond to make the record very public and our stand crystal clear for all to witness: According to the words out of your own mouth, to which we agree, God will manifest His judgment as to whose God is the True God, yours, or ours.

So we have absolute confidence by the gift of faith the Lord Jesus Christ has given us to let Him judge between you and us, even as you suggested, if not declared. Shall we not leave it at that and watch? Our God does not need our help. He is quite Sufficient for any task. What think you of yours?

If your Allah is God Almighty, then may you prevail over us and may we be rebuked for our error, but if Jesus Christ is Almighty God and Lord of all, then may you be exposed in your darkness we say you are steeped in.

As for your request of our removing the “false information about Islam,” you don’t specify what precisely we said that was false. However, we reply that Islam IS falsehood, entirely. If there is falsehood about falsehood it would be to say that Islam is truth, which it is not, and we didn’t say it. If we did say it, we would be liars like unto you, who prefer to believe and to speak lies. We give you our Lord’s reply He gave to the unbelieving Jews in His day, to people such as yourself:

“Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I know Him and I keep His Word” (John 8:54-55 MKJV).

Which now brings us to suggest to you that which you request of us, Bod: How about you removing your false information about God and Jesus Christ and true faith? God indeed gave His only begotten Son, the Son you, Muhammad, and all Muslims deny, for the salvation of the world, including yours:

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV).

We have that eternal life even now, with assurance we are His sons because we are born again, forgiven of all our sins, and seated with Him in the Heavens as, and from where, we speak. Islam, Muhammad and Allah can never do this for you or for anyone. Jesus Christ has done it for us. While we commune with Him daily, your Muhammad has not peeped a word. That is simply because Jesus Christ, being God, lives, while Muhammad, but a man, is dead.

That you remove your falsehoods is a suggestion and not a request. We aren’t worried about your public lies. Our God can take care of Himself and soon you will see it, we assure you. But Muslims have this unfortunate, insecure, fear-born belief and disposition that drives them to think they must defend their god, a warring god, a ruthless god, a god that teaches only might to be right, and that only what is good for a Muslim is right.

(Have you red Wafa Sultan’s book, A God Who Hates? She is remarkably incisive and accurate for one who doesn’t believe as we do – at least not that we are aware as yet. Good reading…an eye opener you may wish to pick up.)

We see Muslims throughout the world, rioting in frenzied rage and madness, destroying and being destroyed. Our God is not this monster you have in your minds and hearts. Our God is much greater than that, believe me, and He will show you so, as I have said.

Have we “simply vanished,” as though stumped or defeated? No, you are mistaken, Bod. We are here, neither hiding nor running, and we plan to post all our correspondence with you in its entirety on our site, Lord willing, even though you mistakenly, foolishly presume to have gotten the better of us.  We know otherwise and Jesus Christ our Lord, not we, will prove it to those whom He chooses to grace with truth, peace, and everlasting life. We have exposed others and we have exposed, and will expose, you, as well.

So we have not wished to not engage, except that we have gladly determined to take you up on the words spoken out of your own mouth and have God judge between you and us. You haven’t too long to wait.

Do you have faith in your god that you can leave the matter in his hands, according to your word, “Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you,” as we do with our God, or will you see the necessity to take matters into your own hands, as multitudes of Islamists like you have murde
rously done countless times in your history to this very hour? Should you do so, here is a Word for you from Almighty God, Jesus Christ:

“And if anyone will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed”
(Revelation 11:5 MKJV).

Better you should repent of breaking His Law and trusting in your own righteousness, which, to God, is as filthy menstrual rags. Better to repent, believe, and enjoy eternal life, His love.

Express, though highly unworthy, servants of Jesus Christ, in His perfect, faithful care,

Victor and Paul
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com

[PaulCohen]

Bod wrote to us at our website (ThePathofTruth.com):

What happened? You accepted the invitation to discuss your faulty positions and then simply vanished, you have spent so much time exposing others it is now your turn to be challenged.

If you wish not to engage please remove your false information about Islam

We reply:

Bodhitharta,

We accepted the invitation not to “discuss our faulty positions,” but to speak the truth, which we did. We soon confirmed the complaints of others on that forum that you cannot be reasoned with. Your truth is your truth and anything anyone else says means nothing to you. There is no arguing or discussing with you. You believe you are right, yet you are without reason. You are evasive, contradictory, and trust not in truth, but in tactics of debate and power to persuade.

Furthermore, it was fully evident that you did not read the links we gave you that you might truly hear us out in what we have to say. Had you done so, you wouldn’t have asked the unlearned and repeated questions you did, which, in those links, are answered. That will never do for God, for us or for any reasonable person. However, if still willing, read this entire section:

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm

Not that we expect you to understand, because it is written:

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MKJV
(12)  But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
(13)  These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14)  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(15)  But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
(16)  For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

At one point, we wrote to you: “Those are things [truths] you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him [Jesus Christ]. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.”

You replied:

“Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you”

To which we replied:

“Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.”

We accepted your declaration to let God judge and be a witness between you and us. Like we said, all else was vain with you. Our words repeated: “All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening.”

So why are we responding to you now? We respond to make the record very public and our stand crystal clear for all to witness: According to the words out of your own mouth, to which we agree, God will manifest His judgment as to whose God is the True God, yours, or ours.

So we have absolute confidence by the gift of faith the Lord Jesus Christ has given us to let Him judge between you and us, even as you suggested, if not declared. Shall we not leave it at that and watch? Our God does not need our help. He is quite Sufficient for any task. What think you of yours?

If your Allah is God Almighty, then may you prevail over us and may we be rebuked for our error, but if Jesus Christ is Almighty God and Lord of all, then may you be exposed in your darkness we say you are steeped in.

As for your request of our removing the “false information about Islam,” you don’t specify what precisely we said that was false. However, we reply that Islam IS falsehood, entirely. If there is falsehood about falsehood it would be to say that Islam is truth, which it is not, and we didn’t say it. If we did say it, we would be liars like unto you, who prefer to believe and to speak lies. We give you our Lord’s reply He gave to the unbelieving Jews in His day, to people such as yourself:

“Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I know Him and I keep His Word” (John 8:54-55 MKJV).

Which now brings us to suggest to you that which you request of us, Bod: How about you removing your false information about God and Jesus Christ and true faith? God indeed gave His only begotten Son, the Son you, Muhammad, and all Muslims deny, for the salvation of the world, including yours:

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV).

We have that eternal life even now, with assurance we are His sons because we are born again, forgiven of all our sins, and seated with Him in the Heavens as, and from where, we speak. Islam, Muhammad and Allah can never do this for you or for anyone. Jesus Christ has done it for us. While we commune with Him daily, your Muhammad has not peeped a word. That is simply because Jesus Christ, being God, lives, while Muhammad, but a man, is dead.

That you remove your falsehoods is a suggestion and not a request. We aren’t worried about your public lies. Our God can take care of Himself and soon you will see it, we assure you. But Muslims have this unfortunate, insecure, fear-born belief and disposition that drives them to think they must defend their god, a warring god, a ruthless god, a god that teaches only might to be right, and that only what is good for a Muslim is right.

(Have you red Wafa Sultan’s book, A God Who Hates? She is remarkably incisive and accurate for one who doesn’t believe as we do – at least not that we are aware as yet. Good reading…an eye opener you may wish to pick up.)

We see Muslims throughout the world, rioting in frenzied rage and madness, destroying and being destroyed. Our God is not this monster you have in your minds and hearts. Our God is much greater than that, believe me, and He will show you so, as I have said.

Have we “simply vanished,” as though stumped or defeated? No, you are mistaken, Bod. We are here, neither hiding nor running, and we plan to post all our correspondence with you in its entirety on our site, Lord willing, even though you mistakenly, foolishly presume to have gotten the better of us.  We know otherwise and Jesus Christ our Lord, not we, will prove it to those whom He chooses to grace with truth, peace, and everlasting life. We have exposed others and we have exposed, and will expose, you, as well.

So we have not wished to not engage, except that we have gladly determined to take you up on the words spoken out of your own mouth and have God judge between you and us. You haven’t too long to wait.

Do you have faith in your god that you can leave the matter in his hands, according to your word, “Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you,” as we do with our God, or will you see the necessity to take matters into your own hands, as multitudes of Islamists like you have murde
rously done countless times in your history to this very hour? Should you do so, here is a Word for you from Almighty God, Jesus Christ:

“And if anyone will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed”
(Revelation 11:5 MKJV).

Better you should repent of breaking His Law and trusting in your own righteousness, which, to God, is as filthy menstrual rags. Better to repent, believe, and enjoy eternal life, His love.

Express, though highly unworthy, servants of Jesus Christ, in His perfect, faithful care,

Victor and Paul
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com

[PaulCohen]

Victor's reply to Stuart:

Hi Stuart,

I readily admit there is certainly nothing special about me. Read http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimonies/victor.htm and see for yourself. But when there, you will also see that something very special has happened for me, something quite rare, highly fortunate, which compels me to bring what I have to others.

God has made Himself known to me in Jesus Christ/Yeshua HaMashiach. He does speak to me, I have heard His Voice many times, He answers me when I call on Him, and He will most certainly answer between Bod and me. All those in the sidelines and observing will see it (whether they understand what they see or not will be up to Jesus Christ).

God has spoken many things by me and has given me and those with me many prophecies, visions, and dreams, most of which have come to pass, and the rest will follow in fulfillment in due time. These are things no human being can arrange and no intelligent, reasonable person can deny or refute.

We will be publishing my life story, What the Lord Has Done with Me, of how God has personally dealt with me, and there you will find living proofs of God, totally undeniable.

Do I expect the bitter and cynical to believe them, though they are indisputable? Not at all! I have learned that people are bound to believe what they will and nothing but the grace of God will move them. I know I was that way; I know all human beings are that way, and that only God can and will change them.

[PaulCohen]

Victor wrote to Bod:

Those are things you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.

Bod replied:

Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you

Victor’s reply:

Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.

[PaulCohen]

Victor wrote to Bod:

Those are things you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.

Bod replied:

Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you

Victor’s reply:

Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.

[PaulCohen]

Victor wrote to Bod:

Those are things you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.

Bod replied:

Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you

Victor’s reply:

Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.

[PaulCohen]

Victor Hafichuk's reply:

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Bod relied to Paul: Many are deceived into thinking they worship God, when in reality they worship the Bible. God is not contained within two leather covers. Those who think otherwise are Bibliolaters. The written Word of God is not the Word of God made flesh. (False Christianity Unmasked & Bible Worship Used by Men to Cover Evil) http://www.thepathoftruth.com/statementofdoctrine.htm Wouldn't this statement also mean that the Quran could be the word of God? You would have to be a Bibliolater to totally disagree.

This statement does not mean that the Quran could be the Word of God. It only means that God has not limited Himself to a particular book. He is everywhere and manifests Himself in many ways. He dwells within those who have been born of Him and they aren't limited to a book.

No believer was ever limited to the Bible in order to communicate and fellowship with God. But neither is God the Author of all those books that presume to represent Him, His will, and character.

We know the Quran is not the Word of God, and we know the Bible is. We know what is of God, Who only speaks truth, and what is of man, who is a proven liar, but for the grace of God. That does not make us Bibliolaters (worshippers of the Bible as God). We worship the One Who gave us the Bible, among other things He has given us.

That said, there are many who worship the Bible and they are wrong for it. They break His Second Commandment in so doing. But Muslims can’t talk in these matters, being guilty themselves in their many idolatrous ways, having no regard for His Law.

You sign off with, “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”

Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace and its Author, as Creator of all things. Of Him it was prophesied (among many other things) centuries before He appeared in the flesh on earth:

“For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6 MKJV).

So who are you, a mere man, to bless Him with peace, with something only He can bless you with, if He so chooses?

[PaulCohen]

Victor Hafichuk's reply:

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Bod replied to Paul: There is no single perfect Bible translation, and besides, men have tampered with some of the Biblical texts. The only way to know or understand the Bible is by the Spirit of God and by preachers sent by God who perceive and teach the Word in His Spirit. (How We View and Use the Scriptures & Is the KJV the Perfect Word of God?) http://www.thepathoftruth.com/statementofdoctrine.htm So, the Bible has been corrupted?

Muslims try so hard to discredit the Bible, using a proven corrupt document (the Quran) to try to prove it is corrupted! (Yet they refer to the Bible wherever it suits them.) But we know that nothing in this physical plane touched by man has been left unscathed, including the Bible. However, it is not hard to know what is true and what is not if one is born of the Spirit of Truth, which we are. That’s why God descended to mankind in Christ Jesus, that we might have the Truth within and harmony with God by His Spirit, which Jesus gave us.

Therefore, we know what is true and what is not and we can testify to you that the Bible is the one and only book of which we are aware that God used men to write and compile over mankind’s history, to let the world know Him, His Laws, and His will for us all.

Those are things you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.

“But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His Name, who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God” (John 1:12-13 MKJV).

You sign off with “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”

I will reply something new to each time you use that signoff, Bod, Lord willing (it being so full of the spirit of error). That statement is a sample of heinous flattery. To say that Jesus Christ was but a prophet and a great man is like saying a man can speak. There is nothing unusual or great about that! It goes without saying that Christ was a prophet. In fact, to stop there is an insult, because it delegitimizes God, bringing Him down to the level of a mere created man. An insult masked as a compliment is a lie. God hates lies, will deal with liars, and does so very effectively. Many liars have perished in their blasphemies and deceptions, having fooled themselves first and foremost.

[PaulCohen]

Victor Hafichuk's reply:

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Bod replied to Paul: Not having the sin nature of fallen man, Jesus Christ learned perfect obedience to God in the days of His flesh, paving the way for those who believe on Him to obtain like power of grace. In the state of Adam before the fall, He resisted temptation and overcame for us all. (Could Jesus Christ Have Sinned? & Grace – The Reality) http://www.thepathoftruth.com/statementofdoctrine.htm Problems with this statement of Doctrine is 1. Paul Cohen believes that Jesus is God but then says “Jesus learned obedience to God” Why would God need to “learn” how to obey Himself?

The answer to that is a simple one to those who know God, but a mystery to those who don’t:

God gave Himself a body and descended to earth to redeem us, you, me, and everyone throughout the ages. God put form visible to our senses in this world to His Words, His Essence. That is the Biblical definition of “The Son” of God, and not as Muslims and foolish others have defined or perceived His Sonship to be. Of Jesus Christ it is declared:

“For let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with [as] God, but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross” (Philippians 2:5-8 MKJV).

When He has completed this stage of His plan for mankind, here is what comes at the end of it:

“The last enemy made to cease is death. For He put all things under His feet. But when He says that all things have been put under His feet, it is plain that it excepts Him Who has put all things under Him. But when all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subject to Him Who has subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all things in all” (1 Corinthians 15:26-28 MKJV).

How does one enter into fulfillment in Jesus Christ, the Creator of the universe and all things therein? Here it is (we speak by experience and revelation, and not by doctrine only):

Romans 10:6-11 MKJV
(6)  But the righteousness of faith says this: “Do not say in your heart, Who shall ascend into Heaven?” that is, to bring Christ down;
(7)  or “Who shall descend into the deep?”; that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.
(8)  But what does it say? “The Word is near you, even in your mouth and in your heart”; that is, the Word of Faith which we proclaim;
(9)  Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
(10)  For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.
(11)  For the Scripture says, “Everyone believing on Him shall not be put to shame.”

God couldn’t care less about your blessings, powers, or preeminence over your fellow man, Bod. Indeed, because you think those things are worthy, therefore, He despises them, but He loves and manifests Himself to those who humble themselves before Him, believe and obey Him, counting themselves as unworthy. However, only He can give you that. I couldn’t accomplish that, and neither can you. No man can.

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2. Paul Cohen says that the state of Adam before “The Fall” resisted temptation but does Paul Cohen realize that Adam was in the state of Adam when he commited his rebellion he did not acquire a new state it was the result of him making a choice in his initial state. If Adam was Made in a state where he could not have sinned then he could not have sinned.

Another easy question to answer for those who know Him:

We are speaking two Adams, the earthly Adam and the Heavenly Adam here, the first and The Last. There is a great difference between the two, one being mortal man, created by the Last Adam; the other being God in the likeness of man, yet the Creator.

Paul Cohen did not say that the first Adam resisted temptation – plainly, the first Adam fell to it. Paul was speaking of God coming to earth as Jesus Christ in the likeness of a man in the state he was in before The Fall, that is, as Adam before corrupted by sin. As a man, Adam could not resist temptation; he was powerless to resist evil and fell into disobedience.

This was the process to which mankind was subjected by his Creator, with the purpose of better things. As the Scripture says:

“For the creation was not willingly subjected to vanity, but because of Him Who subjected it on hope that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God”
(Romans 8:20-21 MKJV).

When Jesus Christ, the Last Adam came to redeem man, He being God, He did not fall to temptation, thus demonstrating He was God. He laid down His life and then raised Himself from the dead, which also proved He was God. The beloved brother John, His disciple, quotes Jesus saying:

“Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up. Then the Jews said, This temple was forty-six years building, and will you rear it up in three days? But He spoke of the temple of His body”  
(John 2:19-21 MKJV).

How do I know Jesus is alive? Because He speaks to, informs, protects, guides, and blesses me and those with me. He has given us His Resurrection Life. By Him, we speak. He lives, Bod! He dwells in, and relates to, those who know Him on earth as well as in Heaven. That can’t be said of any other man that ever lived.

Bod, you sign off with: “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”

Very true that He puts no partners with God. He is God and nobody is Lord of lords and King of kings but Him. Neither does He sanction any other worship but the worship of God. He is the Beginning and the End, Almighty God.

[PaulCohen]

Victor Hafichuk's reply:

Bod, you sign off each time with, “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”

He can’t accept your blessing because you don’t believe on Him. As it says:

“He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him” (John 3:36 MKJV).

We see His wrath on you and speak so that, God willing, it might be removed. And of this same Jesus, it is recorded by our beloved brother Paul:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 MKJV).

He is the One, True God, and you will hear more of that from us, though you argue and reason, presuming to know better. But can you try to be honest and reason honestly, without evasive tactics? I perceive that to you, might is right, which is the Muslim way, but to God the Creator, Jesus Christ, right is might, and by right He overcame the world, not by might as man knows it. And nobody is mightier than the One Who can lay down His life for mankind and take it up from the grave three days later, at will.

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Bodhitharta’s posting October 21, 2010, quoting Victor’s testimony: I began to realize something. When Catholic, I was taught that we were the true church of God, and that our doctrines and beliefs were the right ones. Then I was converted. Jesus Christ had taken over my life through the revelation of Scripture and the ministry of someone not Catholic. My life was transformed, much changed for the better. I knew the Catholic Church had not been right. Then, when baptized in the Holy Spirit, I discovered that there had been more, though evangelicals had told me I had all that there was to be had, just like the Catholics before them. The evangelicals had not been right. Now I was hearing from some that there was yet a third level of experience in the Lord. I was not about to allow anyone to delay me on this one if it was available. I set out to enter rest, or to be perfected or sanctified, as some would call it. However, that would not happen for many years. http://www.thepathoftruth.com/testimo…. Bod’s reply: This I agree with totally and if you are willing you can learn still more. Bod’s signature: “Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”

Victor Hafichuk's reply:

Bod, I came into that fourth dimension, the one of rest in God through Jesus Christ, in the year 2000. But let me give you another excerpt from that link and ask you if you have experienced this victory of soul and spirit, which freedom and peace I received when calling upon, and submitting to, Jesus Christ as Lord of lords:

“In the days to follow, changes occurred in me over which I had no control and for which I could take no credit whatsoever. The vices and bad habits I had tried and failed to overcome were removed from me. I found myself with new desires, a joy I had never known, peace, fulfillment, direction, and purpose. I had life for the first time. The Bible became a new Book to me. I had read it once through before this momentous occasion in my life and understood nothing. Now I was full of interest in, and enthusiasm for, its contents. This Book was alive and infinite in meaning. God was real!”

I was made, and am now, to this day, 37 years later, a new creation, as the Bible puts it. Have you experienced that freedom from sin and guilt? Have you heard God’s voice? Has He personally notified you that He approves of you and loves you? Has God revealed Himself to you personally? Can you post yourself as a man in peace and rest, Bod, in harmony with God?

I see one who reasons, fights, thrusts and parries, feints and bluffs. I see one who is religious, and indoctrinated, and who tries to outsmart his fellow man and get the better of him, but I don’t see in you at all what I now have in the Savior of all mankind.

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