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    Quote I have read of the creation event as recorded in Genesis and there is no mention of him there not does your claim agree with scripture that states he was conceived in the inner parts of Mary.Why don’t you believe scripture that clearly states that Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his own mother’s inner parts?Kerwin!Of cou…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic Prayer for Others in the forum Prayer & Advice 13 years ago

    Mark! Don't beat yourself up, your Daughter is an Adult, and you are not responsible for Her any longer. I am sure you did your best….It is peer pressure and today's society that influences a lot of kids…. I don't think there is a Family that has not gone through some kind of trauma…. Our third Son was on marijuana for years….. He turned…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years ago

    WJ  Yes, God has given all power to Jesus, but that does not mean that now He is equal with Gdo…… Scriptures tell a different story…… Even Jesus by His own words says this Jhn 14:28   Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is g…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years ago

    WJ  Yes, God has given all power to Jesus, but that does not mean that now He is equal with Gdo…… Scriptures tell a different story…… Even Jesus by His own words says this Jhn 14:28   Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is g…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 06 2011,10:41)Irene,I think that it is pretty funny that you ran away from our one on one discussion and then you said what you just did. :laugh: Prove that I didn't discuss this topic because I do not want to discuss scriptures with him.  Prove it Irene, or be stop spouting off!You remember what Scripture you put up from the…[Read more]

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    MikeEnd of exercise. Take five.:D :D :D

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    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 06 2011,13:16)Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 06 2011,07:57)Kerwin!  Interesting indeed, you believe that Isaac is the only begotten Son, yet you ignore that Jesus also is……Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.  He is T…[Read more]

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    Kerwin! Interesting indeed, you believe that Isaac is the only begotten Son, yet you ignore that Jesus also is……Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. He is The Word of God, and He will come back as The Word of God…..You agree…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2011,11:24)Thanks Irene,I'm not sure what Kerwin is doing lately.  We start with his claim that God couldn't beget a Son unto Himself.  I bring up the fact that God is Spirit, and has brought forth many spirit sons.  Then he says that it's only speculation that angels were created out of nothing.  What is he talking abo…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 06 2011,10:36)Irene,All my children are equally human natured as their father is.Likewise, Jesus is equally deity natured as His father is.Are your children less human natured than Georg or are they equal in this regards?Kathi!  Our Children are not equal to us, neither is Jesus, by His own words….Our Children are their…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic Prayer for Others in the forum Prayer & Advice 13 years ago

    Mark! I just read your request, we will pray for your Daughter too…. We also will pray always that the end of this society will end,,,, maybe sooner then we think…. Time is running out for Satan and therefore he is very busy…. Bless you and yours, Irene

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    kathi!  Are your Children there Fathers equal?

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    To All! Begotten simple means to beget…. or to bring into existing…. Jesus was the firstborn of all creation….the beginning of the creation of God…end of story… Kathi, of all of your children who is the first begotten? And which one is the firstborn….END OF STORY……

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    Kathi!  Since you put me on the spot here, I will have to put this article on  here, it is rather long…..Joined: Oct. 2010 Posted: Aug. 31 2011,09:42 EDIT QUOTEThere are several articles on this subject, however most are bias to the trinity doctrine, so they will not say that Jesus was created….Colossians 1:15 – Did Jesus Have a Beg…[Read more]

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    Hi Mike, I just read all of this….. I thought it pretty funny that Kathi does not want to discuss Scriptures with you…. Maybe that is what I should have done to Her….. What is She afraid of????Maybe She knows She can't proof the compound doctrine She invented….. there is no trinity, and that is were She is leaning to….. Peace Irene

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    Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 06 2011,06:42)Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 05 2011,17:33)Kerwin Ismael was not  the Son that God had promised  Abraham and Sarah…Isaac on the other hand is the only Son they produced…..ALSO we are not the begotten Sons of God, we are the Adopted Sons of God….Jesus is the only begotten of the Father….The Word of God…. you s…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2011,03:25)Kerwin,You go farther off the deep end with every post you make to me.  Half of me just wants to walk away from this discussion because of the mazes and diversions you are attempting.  But the other half is stubborn, and will not let you walk away from points you've claimed just because you attempt to di…[Read more]

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    Paladin! At Baptism we received Gods Holy Spirit and now we are considered the Sons of God, we have received the Spirit of adoption….John tells us The The Word of God,who became Jesus, is the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER….we are not begotten of Jesus Father…..Jesus is the ONLY ONE….Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,…[Read more]

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    Kerwin Ismael was not  the Son that God had promised  Abraham and Sarah…Isaac on the other hand is the only Son they produced…..ALSO we are not the begotten Sons of God, we are the Adopted Sons of God….Jesus is the only begotten of the Father….The Word of God…. you seem to say it is the Word of God in Rev. 19, yet in John 1 you say He i…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic John 8:25 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years ago

    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 05 2011,08:44)Mikeboll wrote:Quote I've gone through each verse in John up to the point where Jesus said this.  I've made a list of the things Jesus had claimed to be up until that point.  I found no direct words of Jesus where he had claimed to be God Almighty, or equal to Him.That's because He was God in the form of a…[Read more]

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