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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,13:31)Hi F4, The book never says he was a BEING before birth.You don't call a son a being?How could he have send his son, if he didn't have one?Georg

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 08 2012,13:28)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,13:20)Hi F4, Jesus Christ spoke the words of God given him by God's Spirit.Nick Hassan,I wholeheartedly agree with what you have just said, but the agenda of others here is to prove that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as “The Word” as separate being apart from his and our…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic For Wakeup in the forum The Hot Seat 12 years, 9 months ago

    That's right 42God spoke and his son existed.What do you think of this verse?John 5:37 “And the Father himself, which has sent me, hath born witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.” NO ONE HEARD HIS VOICE “AT ANY TIME”so who was it that spoke in the OT?Georg

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years, 9 months ago

    to allEx. 8:10 “… know that there is none like unto the LORD (Jehovah) God.”Deut. 4:35”…know that the LORD (Jehovah) he is God, there is none else beside him”.Is. 40:13 “Who has directed the spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?” v. 25 “ To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? Saith the Holy On…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years, 9 months ago

    to allEx. 8:10 “… know that there is none like unto the LORD (Jehovah) God.”Deut. 4:35”…know that the LORD (Jehovah) he is God, there is none else beside him”.Is. 40:13 “Who has directed the spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?” v. 25 “ To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? Saith the Holy On…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 07 2012,16:28)Irene,Glad to see that you are doing something less serious than HN on the internet at the chess.com site. I will pray for Bill and those involved.Happyman, I just want to applaud you for going to visit the sick and being such a faithful prayer warrior to so many. You really have been set apart as an…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic For Wakeup in the forum The Hot Seat 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2012,20:54)Those scriptures you quoted are good,and are the word of Godbut we need to understand THE WORDand Jesus is that wordbut he wasn't the man Jesus Christ in the beginningin the same form he is in todayHe was THE WORDand THE WORD is EVERYTHING that comes out of Gods mouthGod's Word always had gloryfor it came out…[Read more]

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    Quote (thehappyman @ Feb. 06 2012,06:00)Yes we will ;                    Beloved Holy Father we seek that you shall comfort Bill during his lost and through out his all days;  in the name of Jesus , i pray. Please give our condolences to the family ….:(Thank you…. Peace Irene

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    Hi shimmer! Just want to say Hi… I dont come on here to often any longer… How are you….. Georg comes here more now then I do…There are so real funny people on chess,com, and I do play the game too….laughter right now is important to me…since Debbie our Daughter-In-Law died and our Great granddaughter, I have been rather emotional…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2012,12:38)hi as a start ;Jn 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not c…[Read more]

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    Well hello Nick, I recognized the voice.how are you? how is the vineyard doing? Did you come out of your retirement, or were you on a long vacation?Georg

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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2012,10:59)Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 06 2012,15:51)PierreI thought you were French?   Any way,Dan 11:40 ¶ And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the c…[Read more]

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    Quote (Delriomike @ Feb. 06 2012,23:20)Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 06 2012,02:50)Quote (Delriomike @ Feb. 05 2012,05:59)Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 05 2012,05:24)wakeupYou too don't “SEE” what you're reading.”””COUNT THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST”””What beast? the beast out of the earth, people.Who is that beast? the pope of the Catholic church.What is his number,…[Read more]

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    PierreI thought you were French? Any way,Dan 11:40 ¶ And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. This was Napoleon who invaded…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2012,02:54)georgQuote Ed, Daniel 11:36-39 is about the pope and Napoleon.Georgwhat make you believe that it is Napoleon ??? and not Islam ?What do you know about Napoleon?Georg

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    journey42You said,”””Most say that Jesus had a spirit body before he was born, but the scriptures don't say that.”””I say,Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Why is God invisible? he is spirit. What is the image Jesus was created in? spirit.Did Jesus come to earth as a spirit? NO!Hbr 2:16 For…[Read more]

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    Pastry replied to the topic For Wakeup in the forum The Hot Seat 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2012,10:41)Okay Georg,What is the answer?Wakeup?  What is your answer?1Cr 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 1Cr 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of…[Read more]

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    Quote (Delriomike @ Feb. 05 2012,05:59)Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 05 2012,05:24)wakeupYou too don't “SEE” what you're reading.”””COUNT THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST”””What beast? the beast out of the earth, people.Who is that beast? the pope of the Catholic church.What is his number, the number of a man?It also says; Rev 13:17 …or the number of his name.  …[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2012,02:22)Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 05 2012,14:33)Daniel 11:37    Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.This is speaking of that false prophet not regarding God, or any “god”.And if one does not regard any God, then one is not a…[Read more]

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    Devolution”Vicarivs Filii Dei” is written on the popes crown, it means, “Vicar of the son of God”. I never said it was in scripture.Just what must a false prophet do, to become your false prophet?Dan. 11:37 refers to Napoleon, he was the one that brought an end to the popes reign.The god , or ruler, of his fathers was the pope.You don't do your…[Read more]

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