Quote (heaven @ June 06 2009,00:51)Hello Gene;Well, I started the day with another one of those pesky e-mails -HiYou have been sent this email as your registration process has been cancelledYou can reregister at https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi at any time.RegardsThe Forum…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2009,17:27)Quote (Kerwin) Still Wisdom and the Word seem to be the same to me.How would you explain – if logos IS wisdom, then what is logos OF wisdom, and logos OF knowledge? Would that then be wisdom of knowledge? Or logos of logos? 1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 05 2009,05:26)Quote (thinker)Paladin,There you go with your “pretexting” again. The Greek word for “root” in Revelation is NOT equivalent to the term in Isaiah 11. The Greek word for “root” means SOURCE.RHIZA of cause, origin, source….(Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, p., 304)When Jesus said…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 05 2009,02:50)Paladin said:Quote I think we may be closer on this one than previous posts, The problem remains, if you walk through the desert and stumble upon a sack of Gold, and pick it up, you have “obtained” it, but you have not “earned” it.Jesus “obtained” alright, but not by earning it. He obtained it by…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2009,03:13)Quote (Paladin @ June 02 2009,05:35)Quote (thethinker @ June 02 2009,20:18)bodhitharta said:Quote I didn't say God was an it I said that God was beyond gender.bd,Thanks for clarifying this. You gave the impression you were denying the personality of God like Paladin. Why did you say “literary device”…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 02 2009,20:28)Nick said:Quote The trinity deceit costs far more souls.Folk do not know who God is, who to worship and who to pray to.Nick,That's ridiculous Nick. Trinitarians go to church and are a community. But this site openly says, “We do not go to church. We are the church.” Which is more destructive to souls.…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 04 2009,20:22)thethinker said:Quote Jesus EARNED the name “Son of God.” Paladin replied:Quote Scripture please.thethinker supplies Scriptures,Hebrews 1:3-5:Quote After He had purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance OBTAINED a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2009,13:44)Hi and welcome P,Please show us how root means the same as what grows from it like a branch.Isaiah 11:1And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:Quote (P)(P) Evidently you don';t know what “root” means. It is a reference to a shoot, or similar to a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 04 2009,03:56)Paladin said:Quote Sonship actually establishes order of geneology, not equality.(thinker) Not in Jewish thought. The Son was seated at the right hand of the Father which was a position of equality in Hebrew culture. Christ is the Son of God BY NAME ONLY and not by generation.I think you are confusing “logos”…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 04 2009,10:55)Paladin said:Quote Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;It does not say he is the person, but he is the image of the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin)  AND, Jesus denied being our God; John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ASCEND UNTO my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and YOUR GOD.So, WHATEVER Thomas was declaring, it was NOT that Jesus was God. I believe John tells it best,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2009,02:35)Hi PDQuote (Paladin @ June 03 2009,09:47)Since when does sonship imply equality with Father? In what way? Sonship actually establishes order of geneology, not equality.Really? So then you are less human than your Father? Or is it that you have the same identical nature? You are at the top of the food…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 03 2009,04:07)Paladin said:Quote AND, Jesus denied being our God; John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ASCEND UNTO my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and YOUR GOD.So, WHATEVER Thomas was declaring, it was NOT that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 03 2009,04:19)Paladin said:Quote Love is a “this” not an “it.”But a person loves. You're a hoot man!   thinkerPersons die. Persons are “it.”Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? “IT” is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.WHEN ARE…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2009,03:13)Quote (Paladin @ June 02 2009,05:35)Quote (thethinker @ June 02 2009,20:18)bodhitharta said:Quote I didn't say God was an it I said that God was beyond gender.bd,Thanks for clarifying this. You gave the impression you were denying the personality of God like Paladin. Why did you say “literary device”…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ June 02 2009,11:49)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2009,11:07)Hi TT, So God is the Father and God of Jesus? That clears up the trinity misconception.Nick, Here we have Paladin and bd saying things that God is an “it” and a “literary device” and you let them slide? God is not “father” to Jesus in the sense you think.thinkerI will…[Read more]