(thinker)Quote Paladin said: AND IT WAS THE SAME ILLUSTRATION.Which is it? Literal; not literal?You cannot have it both ways.(thinker) Did I ever claim that Hebrews says that Jesus is literally the radiance of the sun? NO! I originally said that He is literally the radiance of God. I used the sunbeams as an illustration. Now please deal with the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,19:28)Quote (Gene @ July 11 2009,17:02)thinker…….We are told that GOD so loved the world that (HE) gave His uniquely begotten Son. Jesus is also called the Lamb of GOD. And now is before the throne of GOD as a Slain Lamb. Jesus was Slain from the foundations of the world we are told , it was GOD the Fathers…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,10:13)Quote (Paladin @ July 12 2009,10:05)Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,08:40)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,06:12)Hi TT, So to you the light and heat of the Sun are the Sun? How far will you wander into folly in defence of man's doctrines?Nick,Why do you take my illustration literally? It is not me that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,09:54)Quote (Paladin @ July 11 2009,13:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,05:07)Quote (Paladin @ July 11 2009,12:34)Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,03:07)Quote (Gene @ July 12 2009,01:38)Thinker……….Jesus is not the radiance of GOD's Glory, GOD's Glory radiates (through) Him. big difference. One…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,08:40)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2009,06:12)Hi TT, So to you the light and heat of the Sun are the Sun? How far will you wander into folly in defence of man's doctrines?Nick,Why do you take my illustration literally? It is not me that looks foolish when you do that.thinkerMore to the point, if you do not take it…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,06:06)Paladin said:Quote What a sad commentary on scholarship which you lay such proud claim to.It doesn't matter what he is the image of, he is still the image and not the substance.And you certainly are dodging the point, that “Person” of God is singular, of which Jesus is the image.(thinker)Quote I marvel that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 12 2009,05:07)Quote (Paladin @ July 11 2009,12:34)Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,03:07)Quote (Gene @ July 12 2009,01:38)Thinker……….Jesus is not the radiance of GOD's Glory, GOD's Glory radiates (through) Him. big difference. One looks at Jesus the other looks at the FATHER who is doing the WORK through Jesus.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,11:49)Hi P, So we are to be transformed by renewal of our minds, we are to attain  to the mind of Christ. None of this comes by carnal musings but we feeding on the flesh of the son of God, the Word.Now we are in agreement.When God says to us”Come, let us reason together” what do you understand that exercise of…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,03:07)Quote (Gene @ July 12 2009,01:38)Thinker……….Jesus is not the radiance of GOD's Glory, GOD's Glory radiates (through) Him. big difference. One looks at Jesus the other looks at the FATHER who is doing the WORK through Jesus. “The Father in me does the (WORK)> Trinitarians and Preexistences,  turn this…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 06 2009,01:50)To All,There is some here who deny the testimony of all scholarship on the meaning of the Hebrew “echad” which is translated  “one.” The word often means a unified one. Please see Strong's #258 & 259. But Moses used the word “echad” in two ways,Quote Therefore, a man shall leave his father and mother and be…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,10:40)Hi P, So you are by preference a Philosopher?Scripture gives such an approach short shrift.Wrong my friend! It gives short shrift to “philosophies of men,” and “vain deceits.”Philosophy is simply a love of wisdom in certain things. We are to cultivate wisdom in spiritual things, and not in worldly…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,05:12)Quote (Gene @ July 11 2009,05:01)thinker……..God did not reject Ishmael in fact he blessed Him, even after the covenant He made with Israel, the Gentiles could always inter into it if they wanted to by keeping the commandments they could sojourn with them and after a few generations were considered as one…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,09:49)G, God does try to reach men through reason but He would ask that we learn from His scriptures.When we are at our most rational, we are at our most spiritual.We develope the word “logic” from the Greek “logikos” which MEANS rational, spiritual.1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 11 2009,04:33)bodhitharta said:Quote What do you mean exclusively? First of all if God is the God of Abraham of course He is the God of both his sons Isaac and Ishmael or do you not remember God making a covenant with Abraham that applied to both his sons?Boom! You have shown that your “Allah” (God) is another God. God…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ July 10 2009,18:08)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,13:47)Hi not3, Yes Jesus too had to die.Death comes to all man and after that the Judgement. Jesus provided a way for the salvation of the Soul which is the aimThe Shepherd and Guardian of our souls as sheep in the flock of God, is Jesus ChristHe is the chief Shepherd and he…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,15:46)Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,05:49)bodhitharta said:Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God and speaking and acting on His behalf not that he is God in any way.bd,Make up your mind. You found fault with trinitarians for serving more than one Lord. Now…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,21:53)Hi OP, Logic is of blind Man.Thy Word is truth.That's an issue for another thread, which I may start at a later time.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,10:46)Hi P, So actually for you logic rules?No. For me, using the rules of logic work if one is consistent.There is no point in establishing a major premise and a minor premise, then stating a conclusion if the opponent has no idea about logic in argument.Logic works in a logical argument.Grammar works in a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2009,13:48)Hi P,Is all this intellectual stuff of any value? Are we not defending and promoting and sharing the seeds of God's word?This window on the world shows that the message of God through His servants still remains anathema to most men.Hello Nick.You ask if this “stuff” is of any value. I intend to offer a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,19:37)bodhitharta said:Quote He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord.bd,You are still contradicting yourself. You have not explained your way out of your inconsistency. You accuse us trinitarians of serving more than one Lord. You said,Quote You serve 3 masters…You don't worship The Father who…[Read more]