Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 15 2011,06:25)edjthe trinitarian do not argue with it, they just declare all other views as heretic ,or some go even further declaring Jesus God himselfso that now we have father and son being the same ,Paladin I think is one of those ,PierreAre you sure you are on the correct thread?There is no way you could get that from…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2011,05:47)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 14 2011,22:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2011,11:35)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 13 2011,03:04)Very Good Mike. Now if you can get over that little “pre-existance” hurdle, you will be in the right ball park.I've got Paladin saying the above.  And I've got Kathi saying, “It's very good that you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2011,11:35)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 13 2011,03:04)Very Good Mike. Now if you can get over that little “pre-existance” hurdle, you will be in the right ball park.I've got Paladin saying the above.  And I've got Kathi saying, “It's very good that you believe in the pre-existence of Jesus, Mike.  Now if you can just get o…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 13 2011,23:15)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 11 2011,20:30)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2011,17:38)I agree but I will also point out that you are making a similar error it is clear that a Son is of the same kind as his physical Sire and since Jehovah is of the physical God kind then Jesus would also be of the physical God kind just like…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2011,17:01)Irene,Quote Kerwin!  God has a Spiritual Body like Jesus, This is not the point we are neither discussing nor does Scripture state that Jesus or God have spiritual bodies.Quote 1Cr 15:45   And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam a quickening spirit.  1Cr 15:46   Howbeit tha…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 13 2011,12:13)Kathi, Kathi, Kathi,Jehovah is the Most High God. (Gen 14:22)  And Jesus is the SON OF the Most High God. (Mark 5:7)  The One whose will is done is God the Father, the Most High God.  His Name is Jehovah.The one who follows the commands of the Most High God is the Servant OF the Most High God, his name is Je…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 13 2011,11:31)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 12 2011,17:43)Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 13 2011,09:50)Paladin, you tell me where Jesus ascended to?  Eph 4:9 Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?This is about the resurrection. Jesus descended into the grave then ascended to…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 13 2011,09:50)Paladin, you tell me where Jesus ascended to?  Eph 4:9 Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?This is about the resurrection. Jesus descended into the grave then ascended to where he was before, among men.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 13 2011,10:29)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 12 2011,02:29)If you don't leave me alone, Mike, I am moving on and leaving your sick “attack dog”  mentality with you.Hi Paladin,I'm not singling you out here.  I make these same kinds of post all over this site to people who post unscriptural and illogical things in an effort to p…[Read more]

Here is a personal invitation to Mike -Can we come together as brethren and study those areas in which we find disagreement? Can we practice that love between brethren Christ demosntrated by his life?I still value you as a knowledgeable person, Mike, and will offer the hand of fellowship, but not with cdonstant attacks on my friends, or those who…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 12 2011,19:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2011,13:33)Speaking of things that must hurt, Ed pointed me to this scripture:Hebrews 11:3 NKJV © By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.According to Paladin's theory, (which…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2011,13:33)Speaking of things that must hurt, Ed pointed me to this scripture:Hebrews 11:3 NKJV © By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.According to Paladin's theory, (which was gladly accepted without evidence…[Read more]

Yes, let us hear what the Scriptures says… not only John 6:62 but first how many translations say just about the same thingNew Living Translation (NLT) Jhn 6:62 Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? ean oun thewreete ton uion tou anthrwpou anabainonta opou een to proteronPlease get one of your friends point…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 11 2011,21:07)Paladin,Quote But Jehovah is not of a physical nature, for “God is spirit.” Jesus is not “Spirit” but is flesh, of his father David. I agree as I am not implying God has a body.  I just lack the vocabulary to express my idea literally and so I strove to use vocabulary that fit Irene’s idea of a spirit body in or…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 10 2011,20:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2011,13:26)Now WHERE did THAT come from?  “SUCH AS”?  But I thought the word “whether” meant that ONLY those things mentioned were created through Jesus!       And this, from Paladin's new favorite translation!  Oooh, that's got to hurt.  Mike!  That is why I like the Blue Letter…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2011,17:38)I agree but I will also point out that you are making a similar error it is clear that a Son is of the same kind as his physical Sire and since Jehovah is of the physical God kind then Jesus would also be of the physical God kind just like Jehovah. But Jehovah is not of a physical nature, for “God is spirit.”…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 11 2011,00:16)Paladin!  And you need to learn to stay with ONE SUBJECT, and not float all over the place…..yes, I know what the cross had on.  The cross was the object that they used to crucfy my Lord, and I don;t ever want to put that on my wall….O.K. Let's stay with one subject.Quote Paladin Posted: Feb. 25 2011,00:29…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 10 2011,20:04)Quote O.K. Irene, Let's see if you bleieve the words of John and Paul? ? ?John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?TRINITY ARGUMENT: Since Jesus said that he was going to return back up to where he was before, he must have been in heaven, and therefore, must have been…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 10 2011,09:51)Quote Nope! Not in the Greek in that verse.Scripture teaches that God the father alone created all things.Jesus created all things new.Paladin!  You pick on one Scripture, and that is not even so…… God through Jesus created all…..And what Scripture says that Jesus created all things new?New Living…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 09 2011,04:53)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 08 2011,22:41)Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 08 2011,17:57)Let me see wht other translation sayNew Living Translation (NLT) Rev 3:14 “Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen—the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's new c…[Read more]