(Paladin)Quote The reason John could not say “the logos is God” is because the logos changed, God did not.That must be considered in examining this issue.(WJ) Hi PallidinBut if the Logos was God and it changed then God changed right?Only if they are convertible terms. Since they are not convertible, i.e., are not equal, are not identifiably the…[Read more]

Addendum:John said “in the beginning was the logos and the logos was with God and the logos was God. John never said “and the logos is God.” The reason John could not say “the logos is God” is because the logos changed, God did not.That must be considered in examining this issue.

(P)Quote May I ask dear sister – Do you believe in three begettals for Jesus?(I) Paladin!  Jesus came forth from God before the world was.  Through Jesus all was created, nothing that is was not, Scriptures say.The plan of God was to have the Son's of God be His delight, just like Yeshua was.  They failed. Then God created man, in His image.  G…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 27 2011,23:34)Hi Paladin,Right. I read what you wrote and am completely in agreement with you regarding the Logos that it is the spirit that gives life and not the reema. God has written his love for me in my heart. I can only respond likewize. I am attempting here to reach a semantic understanding of the Greek words Logos…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 26 2011,22:37)Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 26 2011,22:01)Hi Paladin,   This what I am thinking conceptually. Jesus was the personification of the Logos of God. Every word recorded in the scripture to be of Jesus was of the Logos which is of God. Kind of like a 3 station direct communication link.                                  Lov…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 27 2011,19:19)Hi Paladin,   So, the Logos of God is God's doctrine(among other things) and the reema is the declared expression of God's doctrine which of the Spirit of Truth(the Comforter) which is manifested physically in the bible and I would imagine other writings.This post that I am writing is a Logos of myself and the…[Read more]

(Irene)Quote God's Kingdom is in Heaven, that is why it says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.  Almighty God is Spirit, and only Spirit can go there.  We won”t.(P)Quote While it is true, “Flesh and blood will not inherit thekingdom” it is also true that flesh and bone will. Jesus was flesh and bone when he ascended to sit at G…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 27 2011,08:52)Hi Paladin,I went ahead and looked up the word doctrine. While not a new word in my vocabulary, it is not one I have used much in day to day discourses. Quote Doctrine, from Latin doctrina, (compare doctor), means “a body of teachings” or “instructions”, taught principles or positions, as the body of teachings…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 27 2011,02:18)Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 27 2011,01:47)Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 27 2011,00:27)Hi Paladin,   One of two. Quote John 7:16-17 (King James Version) 16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether…[Read more]

(Irene)Quote God's Kingdom is in Heaven, that is why it says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.  Almighty God is Spirit, and only Spirit can go there.  We won”t.While it is true, “Flesh and blood will not inherit thekingdom” it is also true that flesh and bone will. Jesus was flesh and bone when he ascended to sit at God's right h…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 27 2011,00:27)Hi Paladin,   One of two. Quote John 7:16-17 (King James Version) 16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.                                   With Love and Res…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 27 2011,00:27)Hi Paladin,   One of two. Quote John 7:16-17 (King James Version) 16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.                                   With Love and Res…[Read more]

(Irene)Quote Jesus is not just a mere man.  Just being born as a Human being, (Mary having been impregnated  by the Holy Spirit), and not a man….God's literal Son……He emptied Himself and became a man, a Servant at that.  A ransom for all.“..Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you..” Quote Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, whi…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 26 2011,23:35)Hi Paladin,monogenE and huios ….only begotten son…pretty clear here.                                         Love and Respect,                                             WispringThe Nestle text which is the basis for the NIV has Monogenee and theos – pretty clear to those who insist he is “begotten God”T…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 26 2011,23:01)Hi Paladin,   Something that makes me smile on the inside. Jesus never used the word doctrine. .                                                         Love and Respect,                                                               WispringOne of several – John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, “My doct…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 26 2011,11:24)Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2011,11:16)Hi, i'm short of time and things right now but can someone please tell me, who is who here? Gene I know, but do Paladin and Wispring also believe Jesus was a Man who was filled with the Holy Spirit, but didn't pre-exist untill then?Thanks.I havent read this thread but may at a…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2011,11:16)Hi, i'm short of time and things right now but can someone please tell me, who is who here? Gene I know, but do Paladin and Wispring also believe Jesus was a Man who was filled with the Holy Spirit, but didn't pre-exist untill then?Thanks.I havent read this thread but may at a later date.Hi Karmarie;I believe…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 26 2011,22:16)Hi Paladin,   I have worked as a radar operator, radio-communications operator, computer operator/programmer as professions in my life I have a tendency to use the terminology from these experiences in my manner of speech. I am unused to using bible-based terminology. Bear with me as I learn.                  …[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 26 2011,22:10)Hi Paladin,Quote Luke 1:35 (King James Version) 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version)…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 26 2011,22:01)Hi Paladin,   This what I am thinking conceptually. Jesus was the personification of the Logos of God. Every word recorded in the scripture to be of Jesus was of the Logos which is of God. Kind of like a 3 station direct communication link.                                  Love and Respect,                    …[Read more]