Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2011,15:07)Quote (Paladin @ April 18 2011,18:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,10:59)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,17:12)Mike;The reason the Jews could not understand Jesus' words is not because of any problem with clarity,Start your post again with the correct premise, please.The Jews DID understand the words…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,09:59)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,13:38)That's o.k. Mike, none of your references say anything about “eye witness” either, because it is your standard that you have turned into a requirement, not scriptures.Hi Paladin,Your post is the act of desparation.  Acts 1:9 has the words “taken up before our very eyes”,…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 18 2011,09:47)Quote (942767 @ April 18 2011,06:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,05:30)And here come all the “well, it could have meant” guesses from the non-preexisters who must go out of their way to find odd, alternate meanings to clearly worded scriptures.Let me ask you this, Marty:COULD IT ALSO HAVE MEANT that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2011,09:10)Paladin,I am having some trouble understanding what your conclusion is.   From what I understand the common Greek word “gennaō”, which you label gennaw, means sired.  So flesh is sired by flesh and spirit is sired by spirit.   So just as Jesus taught Nicodemus that a human being must be sired of both Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,10:59)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,17:12)Mike;The reason the Jews could not understand Jesus' words is not because of any problem with clarity,Start your post again with the correct premise, please.The Jews DID understand the words Jesus spoke.  They CLEARLY understood that this “regular guy” was for some…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,10:57)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,17:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,09:59)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,13:38)That's o.k. Mike, none of your references say anything about “eye witness” either, because it is your standard that you have turned into a requirement, not scriptures.Hi Paladin,Your post is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,09:59)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,13:38)That's o.k. Mike, none of your references say anything about “eye witness” either, because it is your standard that you have turned into a requirement, not scriptures.Hi Paladin,Your post is the act of desparation.  Acts 1:9 has the words “taken up before our very eyes”,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,09:39)Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,13:27)The problem is that you are not reading what is being said, but only reacting on your pre-conceived notion that Jesus pre-existed.I disagree, Marty.I think the REAL problem is that not one of the scriptures you showed prohibit Jesus from having a spiritual pre-existence.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2011,09:10)Paladin,I am having some trouble understanding what your conclusion is.   From what I understand the common Greek word “gennaō”, which you label gennaw, means sired.  So flesh is sired by flesh and spirit is sired by spirit.   So just as Jesus taught Nicodemus that a human being must be sired of both Spirit…[Read more]

So, Mike, Irene, any who believe in pre-existent Jesus – Please indicate whether I am understanding your position hereAre you saying Jesus pre-existed in spirit form as the word of God, based upon the word being the spirit of God?If that sounds awkward, it is because I am trying to find a way to word what I think is someone else's doctrine that I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,05:14)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,07:05)Well Mike, give me a moment here – What was your question?Oh, right… Quote So I ask you, which “ascension” did the disciples actually eye witness, as was alluded to by Jesus in John 6?Acts 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,01:21)Paladin!   Jhn 6:38   For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.   Jhn 6:39   And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.   Jhn 6:40   And this is the will…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 16 2011,20:03)Paladin,Could you please critique my last post to Mike as far as what I understand about John 1:14.  Thank you!See PM

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 16 2011,13:10)Quote (Paladin @ April 15 2011,01:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2011,10:40)Hi Paladin,It seems to me that your understanding of John 6:62 is that Jesus is speaking of “ascending” from Sheol to where he was before on the earth, right?Breifly acknowledge if this is what you're saying please.mikeJohn is…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,05:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2011,12:11)Quote (942767 @ April 14 2011,11:34)Hi Mike:I have already been over all of this with you, and so, I see not point in re-hashing the same thing over and over again.None of those scriptures that you have say that he pre-existed.  You may interpret them to mean that, but…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2011,04:46)What I'm claiming is what the scriptures teach.  Jesus existed in the form of God, meaning “as a spirit being in heaven”.  Then he was made as a human being.  It was not the “spirit being Jesus” being “put into a flesh body”, but rather the spirit being of Jesus being remade as a bonafide flesh and blood hu…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 13 2011,11:33)Quote (Paladin @ April 13 2011,09:03)Very Good! Now, if we can get the meaning of John's “Beginning” defined in scripture I'll be almost happy. It still leaves me with having to show why “incarnation” is a figment of  religious philosophy rather than theology.Hi Paladin: In the beginning?Quote 1Pe 1:20 Who…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2011,04:48)Quote (Baker @ April 15 2011,12:35)Paladin!  Again, I wa not angry.  The smile faces come on there automatically I don't put those on in the middle of a post.  I might put smile faces on the end…I think anytime you make a statement like I did to kerwin, they appear….You know what would me really ch…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 16 2011,01:57)Quote (Paladin @ April 15 2011,17:49)Hello dear Sister;Why are you so angry?You were not called into question for posting a response to Karmarie when she asked if anyone had read the shepherd of Hermas, and she was not called in question for asking -And in fact you felt free to introduce Tertullian and others…[Read more]

To all who have waited so patiently, greetings in Christ Jesus our Lord; Here is my understanding of Paul's defining work as applied by John, and as expressed by a proper application of scripture -If  I were to write a book, and give the book a title, “The Logos Of God” then proceed to write in that book, an explanation of a concept that involves…[Read more]