Quote (Baker @ April 22 2011,22:02)Quote (Paladin @ April 22 2011,20:38)Quote (Baker @ April 22 2011,01:50)I simple don't understand with now over 50 Scriptures, that do one way or another, show that Jesus did preexisted.I saw a man once try to establish the falsity of scripture by quoting two verses out of context,Judas hanged himself; “Go thou…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 22 2011,01:50)I simple don't understand with now over 50 Scriptures, that do one way or another, show that Jesus did preexisted.I saw a man once try to establish the falsity of scripture by quoting two verses out of context,Judas hanged himself; “Go thou and do likewise”- advising everyone on the board to go hang thermselves,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,04:33)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,03:48)1 Peter 1:23 Being (born again) not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the logos of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.Paladin, I believe you may have stumbled upon something within this verse that has been overlooked by many translators.I didn't “stumble…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 22 2011,16:12)To all that are concerned,I began a thread about Colossians 19:12-19  in  BELIEVERS PLACE » Scripture & Biblical Doctrine » Colossians 19:12-19 I may start other threads in regards to the other scriptures we have discussed here.Col 19

Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2011,20:25)Mike,I am rather confused whether you believe A, B, or something else:Quote A)That a preexistent being from the realms of spirit incarnated into a human body that was descended from David.B)That a preexistent being from the realm of spirit was transformed by God into a human being.You explanations seem to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2011,14:49)Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,03:38)It is my belief that both you and I agree that interpretation is in error as it is not meant literally but rather is speaking of God’s plan for humankind. Hi Kerwin,I believe it's only a matter of translation:  Rev 13:8 (Read the NET translation and their note #2)Quote (k…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 22 2011,01:50)Paladin!  Whatever our disagreements were, I am willing to forget about it.  One thing I want to say in regards to that,  being 72 years old, I forget at times.  The only time I just close with Irene, I must have been upset with something.  I simple don't understand with now over 50 Scriptures, that do one way…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2011,15:18)Paladin,Some doctrinal tenets are tied in with the various incarnation doctrines.  I forget which specific one you are discussing but anything that when properly understood contradicts it in scripture disproves it.I have discussed my understanding that the Spirit of God is incarnated in Jesus the human being.I…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 21 2011,03:33)Paladin!  From the start of this tread, you responded.  If you didn't like to debate someones pet doctrine, you should have stopped them long ago…. You don't have to respond to it.  But you did. I tried to accomodate the interest shown by the posters who responded. Are you telling me it was a mistake?  Res…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ April 21 2011,15:40)Hi Paladin, Quote 1 Corinthians 2:4 NKJVAnd my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power……. In your view and understanding of scripture, what is the significance of Paul using the word logos instead of the word reema in the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,20:49)Quote (Paladin @ April 20 2011,15:33)Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,17:19)Paladin and Mike,It is know that the Jews of Jesus' times often spoke in mysticisms.  The Hebrew language is based on mysticisms which is why  the word spirit can mean wind as well as other things.  Jesus spoke mystically when he chose to…[Read more]

To any who are interested.The problem some of you are having is you fail to understand the proper use of threads.I posted an OP regarding the “incarnation” dealing with the doctrine, and the reality in my opinion.Some on the board instead of responding to the OP, immediately saw it as a challenge to their own pet doctrine, and began to respond…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,21:35)Paladin,I am not sure how you understand the word mysticism which according to the definition from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary I am using means:Quote the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate reality can be attained through subjective experience (as intuition or insight) To…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,20:49)Quote (Paladin @ April 20 2011,15:33)Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,17:19)Paladin and Mike,It is know that the Jews of Jesus' times often spoke in mysticisms.  The Hebrew language is based on mysticisms which is why  the word spirit can mean wind as well as other things.  Jesus spoke mystically when he chose to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2011,11:51)Quote (Paladin @ April 19 2011,01:08)I would recommend you ask a mystic or a scholar.Maybe then I'd at least get an answer to my questions instead of excuses why someone WON'T answer them.  Bye Paladin, you are waste of my time.mikeBye Mike!

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,17:19)Paladin and Mike,It is know that the Jews of Jesus' times often spoke in mysticisms.  The Hebrew language is based on mysticisms which is why  the word spirit can mean wind as well as other things.  Jesus spoke mystically when he chose to use his flesh and blood to symbolise other things.    He spoke in such…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 19 2011,23:25) Paladin! Is this Scripture to be instead of Col. 1:15, and those who believe in them, are not humble?  Is that what you are implying?Your first clue is “read what I actually said.”Quote These Scriptures are not blotted out.Please indicate the post in which I said any such thing. Quote  But you want them to be a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2011,20:58)Paladin,Your wrote to Mike:Quote God promised many things before he began creation. When he spoke them into prophecy, they became “true” without being “truth.” They were true because God spoke it; they remained “without being true, because the prophecies were not fulfilled yet.Since what you wrote is true then…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,15:12)Quote (Paladin @ April 18 2011,03:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,09:59)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,13:38)That's o.k. Mike, none of your references say anything about “eye witness” either, because it is your standard that you have turned into a requirement, not scriptures.Hi Paladin,Your post is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,15:22)Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2011,22:12)Son of man means decendent of human kind.So was the Decendent of Human kind in heaven or was Jesus speaking in another context.Hi Kerwin,This whole argument is weak and far reaching IMO.  Jesus was saying “I came down from heaven” and “what if you see ME ascend to where I…[Read more]