Quote (Baker @ April 26 2011,01:05)Paladin!  So every time it says which is in Heaven, it is not there in  the original transcript?  What about came down from Heaven? Come on Irene, we were talking about one verse, and yes, when that verse comes up it still does not have the ending in Greek that it has in English.Quote Jhn 6:38   For I came dow…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,16:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,13:59)Good work Irene.  mikeThank you Mike, so do you….just wish some would take those Scriptures the way they are written, and don't interpret the way they want them to look.  I simple don't get it……Or maybe I do…. One day we all will know the truth.  When our King of Ki…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,13:48)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,20:07)Hi Mike:Jesus was the son of man from the beginning of creation by prophecy as Genesis 3:15 refers to him as the seed of the woman, but 1 Peter 1 indicates that he was foreordained and manifest in these last times for us.Hi Marty,I don't personally believe 3:15 to be a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,13:12)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2011,19:46)Remember we are told to seek and we will find Knock and it will be opened, ask and it will be given to us. “Let him who lacks wisdom and understanding Ask” . And also remember “THE (SUM) OF GOD'S WORD IS TRUTH”.Hello Gene,It's hard for you to ask for the truth when…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,12:31)Quote (Paladin @ April 24 2011,15:47)1) Who did he pre-exist as? He was not God:Not that it's important we know every detail about Jesus' pre-existence, but you are correct that he was not THE God he was with in the beginning.Quote (Paladin @ April 24 2011,15:47)He was not an angel:Sure he was.  “Aggelos”…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,07:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,06:34)Yeah Irene.I don't know why Gene can't see that even if he didn't pre-exist, he STILL was never “exactly like us” anyway.  And you are right about Paladin, which is why I didn't include his name in my post to Marty.  He has a different personal reason for Jesus not to p…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,06:34)Yeah Irene.I don't know why Gene can't see that even if he didn't pre-exist, he STILL was never “exactly like us” anyway.  And you are right about Paladin, which is why I didn't include his name in my post to Marty.  He has a different personal reason for Jesus not to pre-exist:  He thinks for some reason th…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,07:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,06:34)Yeah Irene.I don't know why Gene can't see that even if he didn't pre-exist, he STILL was never “exactly like us” anyway.  And you are right about Paladin, which is why I didn't include his name in my post to Marty.  He has a different personal reason for Jesus not to p…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,05:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,04:26)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2011,09:03)One set of believes separates Jesus from our exact identity ,while the other accepts Jesus as an identical human beingSee what I was saying in that long post, Marty?  One cannot possibly hope to let the scriptures TEACH THEM when…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,05:59)Mike !  You are probably right.  Except Paladin never said that.  Even if Jesus did not exist before the world was, He was different from the beginning of His birth.  I have never seen a12 year old boy go into the Temple and preach!!!  Have you?  He also was not conceived like a Human being.  He is the litera…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 26 2011,05:49)Hi Paladin:I am sorry that this thread is way off topic and has taken a turn from what you intended to another thread for the discussion of the doctrine of pre-existence.Since I am not versed in the Greek language, please do me the favor of giving me your understanding, using your very best Greek, of Philippians…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,11:57)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,17:13)Yes, you are right, some manuscripts have it one way, and others another, But even so, this states that the Son of man came down from heaven. He wasn't the Son of man until he was born of the virgin Mary, and so, how are you going to explain this to support your doctrine…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,08:36)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,15:12)He was in his ministry on earth and yet he was saying that he was in heaven at the same time.No he wasn't Marty.  Many mss don't even have the last line:  “Who is in heaven”.  And others have “who WAS in heaven” or “who is FROM heaven”.Quote Remember that the Greek la…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,06:34)Yeah Irene.I don't know why Gene can't see that even if he didn't pre-exist, he STILL was never “exactly like us” anyway.  And you are right about Paladin, which is why I didn't include his name in my post to Marty.  He has a different personal reason for Jesus not to pre-exist:  He thinks for some reason th…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 23 2011,11:14)Do you know why the translators used Lord and LORD.  In the footnotes of our Rye Study Bible it says, Lord and LORD was used because they were afraid to take Gods name in vain. Peace and Love Irene. Scholars are always monkeying around with the scriptures to add fuel to their doctrines and creeds. It was…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,10:48)Just as a point of minor discussion:What does this verse say: “1Cr 15:47   The first man of the earth, earthy: the second man the Lord from heaven.”In my discussion with Mikeboll I pointed out a style of language that preEmpts events such as Jesus being “The Begotten Son” before he was raised up.This verse…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 23 2011,10:30)Quote (Paladin @ April 23 2011,06:42)Quote (Baker @ April 23 2011,05:30)Paladin! We are predestined, many are called, but few chosen. (Romans 8) I have no problems with the Old Testament. In fact Proverbs 8 is one of my favorite Book. Isaiah another. I just don't want to get hung up with prophecy. I rather…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 23 2011,05:30)Paladin!  We are predestined, many are called, but few chosen. (Romans 8) I have no problems with the Old Testament.  In fact Proverbs 8 is one of my favorite Book.  Isaiah another.  I just don't want to get hung up with prophecy.  I rather debate what Jesus said….. But with all three posts you made to me, you…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 22 2011,21:36)Paladin!  Meditating and saying a prayer, I think I understand why you want to start in Genesis.  There are prophecies about Jesus.  Some might say that these contradict with Scriptures in the New Testament.  Knowing a member who lost faith in Jesus of the New Testament, and believing that Jesus is false got him…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 22 2011,22:02)Paladin!  You believe when we point to verse 62 it too is taken out of context?  I would agree with you, if that would be the only Scripture that talks about Jesus going where He was before, but it isn't.  Jhn 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.   Jhn 17:…[Read more]