Quote (Pastry @ May 10 2011,09:22)Quote All this passage proces is that God raised Jesus to be the firstborn from the dead, and arranged it so that christians would comform to his image, and be younger brothers to him who was firstborn.No “pre-existance” required other than the resurrection.That is not so…Col 1:13   Who hath delivered us from…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 09 2011,11:29)Quote (942767 @ May 09 2011,17:30)Hi:The following verses of scripture have been given by those who propose that Jesus pre-existed as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world.Col 1:12   Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2011,03:14)Quote (Paladin @ May 07 2011,17:35)There is no place ever in scripture that describes the person of Jesus in pre-existant heaven, that then tells us he came down to be born of a woman. That necessary link is missing, unless you understand “came down from heaven” is a reference to “This came from the authority…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 08 2011,11:37)Quote (Paladin @ May 08 2011,18:02)Quote (terraricca @ May 08 2011,03:01)Quote (Paladin @ May 07 2011,06:32)“The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?”Paladin  –  the baptism of John the (order)came from a angel or a vision but there is no baptism in heaven,So let me see if I understand your p…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2011,07:40)Quote (Paladin @ May 07 2011,15:35)Please give me the reference where “the best Greek Scholar of the day” said any such thing as you put in your post.PaladinEvery thing I posted in my thread was directly from Strongs.You are misleading and I will show you how.WJStrong's Dictionary?Strong's…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2011,07:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,09:30)Good points Mike. That is the whole issue. He cannot prove that Jesus is not speaking in literal terms but instead a  parable.Hi Keith,It would be absurd to think it was a parable of any kind.  It was a literal teaching t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2011,07:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,09:30)Good points Mike. That is the whole issue. He cannot prove that Jesus is not speaking in literal terms but instead a  parable.Hi Keith,It would be absurd to think it was a parable of any kind.  It was a literal teaching t…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 08 2011,03:01)Quote (Paladin @ May 07 2011,06:32)“The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?”Paladin – the baptism of John the (order)came from a angel or a vision but there is no baptism in heaven,So let me see if I understand your position, from your own words – Jesus to Jews “The baptism of John, was it 1)…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2011,02:30)Paladin has attacked me and my writings which are only the writings of the best Greek Scholarship of our day.Please show us all the post where I attacked you prior to your attack on Greek users whom you accuse of not knowing the Greek forms or uses. Please indicate any post in which I have failed to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 07 2011,23:14)Paladin………I have brought out before about Jesus telling his Apostles they were not of this World just as he was not for this world and they were from above also.  What Generally happens when these things are brought out is people just ignore them, and go right on as if they were never presented. WJ…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2011,02:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,20:40)Quote (Paladin @ May 06 2011,06:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,14:16)To me it seemed like a whole bunch of words that in the end, still didn't give a different meaning to “I came down from heaven” than the only obvious one.Paladin,  we don't need a lesson in the…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ May 07 2011,23:45)Quote (Paladin @ May 07 2011,20:58)Quote (Baker @ May 07 2011,08:02)Marty and Kerwin!   I read tyour posts, and in no way is anything settled. just because someone comes and says He knows Greek, doesn't make it so.  you both can check out on the internet to the Blue Letter Bible and it will tell you the Greek or t…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 07 2011,21:53)Thanks to all, very informitive. One point of interest you all might want to know. In Heb.2:8, the scripture quoted was from Psalms 8:5.If you look up the Hebrew word used for “angels” in Psalms 8:5, the Hebrew word is “Elohiym” Plural as in “gods”! Great series, IMO, TKVery astute my friend.The issue covered…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ May 07 2011,08:02)Marty and Kerwin!   I read tyour posts, and in no way is anything settled. just because someone comes and says He knows Greek, doesn't make it so.  you both can check out on the internet to the Blue Letter Bible and it will tell you the Greek or the Hebrew.  And I did so.  It is not what Paladin is saying…..I als…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,12:40)Quote (Paladin @ May 06 2011,06:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,14:16)To me it seemed like a whole bunch of words that in the end, still didn't give a different meaning to “I came down from heaven” than the only obvious one.Paladin,  we don't need a lesson in the Greek language…………unless there is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,12:40)Quote (Paladin @ May 06 2011,06:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,14:16)To me it seemed like a whole bunch of words that in the end, still didn't give a different meaning to “I came down from heaven” than the only obvious one.Paladin,  we don't need a lesson in the Greek language…………unless there is…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 07 2011,03:41)Quote (Paladin @ May 07 2011,06:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,14:16)To me it seemed like a whole bunch of words that in the end, still didn't give a different meaning to “I came down from heaven” than the only obvious one.Paladin,  we don't need a lesson in the Greek language…………unless there is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 07 2011,01:14)Quote (Paladin @ May 06 2011,12:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2011,02:06)Hi AllTo deny the preexistence of Jesus is to deny a very basic fundamental truth. There are way to many scriptures that one has to explain away or give some ethereal interpretation to the text when it is obvious a litteral…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,14:16)To me it seemed like a whole bunch of words that in the end, still didn't give a different meaning to “I came down from heaven” than the only obvious one.Paladin,  we don't need a lesson in the Greek language…………unless there is something in your post that makes “I came down from heaven” mean something…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2011,02:06)Hi AllTo deny the preexistence of Jesus is to deny a very basic fundamental truth. There are way to many scriptures that one has to explain away or give some ethereal interpretation to the text when it is obvious a litteral interpretation of the text is what is meant by the writers.Are you aware of the…[Read more]