Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2011,11:01)To all,Here are two events in the life of Jesus where the Spirit of Christ is mentioned.Quote Matthew 3 (Young's Literal Translation)1) 16And having been baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water, and lo, opened to him were the heavens, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2011,15:24)Quote (Paladin @ May 13 2011,06:17)Well, if “whether” means “even including” what does “even including” mean? “Whether” in this use is more akin to “excluding” as in “excluding all else.1 Peter 2:13-14Be subject to every human institution for the Lord’s sake, whether to a king as supreme or to governors as t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 13 2011,13:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2011,10:21) But most importantly, you keep avoiding Hebrews 1:2 in your assertion that only the “new age” was created through Jesus. I think you will be hardpressed to come up with a post in which I said any such thing. Especially since I don't believe any such thing.I said the only…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 13 2011,21:58)Paladin: A man of truth is recognized by his open willingness to create peace. You have chosen that way. Mike has great learning and I believe that in his zeal for God, to reveal the truth he believes, he places a few words that seem to condescend or degrade what he considers the error of another. I have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 13 2011,13:39)Quote (Paladin @ May 12 2011,17:37)Tell that to God who uses “whether” 171 times in 148 verses, and every time uses it as a limiting parameter to choices offered.Really? Do any of those 171 times have the word “whether” AFTER the words “ALL THINGS”?yes!Quote And you didn't answer my points at…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 13 2011,12:36)Quote (Paladin @ May 12 2011,04:09)Right! Let's test the flavor of what you call “debunked!”Paladin,I'll tell you what:  YOU admit that you were wrong when you  claimed “para” can mean “by way of promise”, and acknowledge that the word “promise” is not even IN John 17:5 – and THEN I'll explain the scriptures y…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 13 2011,06:36)Paladin! My dear friend, you didn't respond to my lat post either…..Is that a common practice with you?Peace IreneYes dear sister.When you post something so outrageous I have to take two or three days to cool down before posting so I may rmemeber I am to see in you the image of God, I have to have time to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2011,12:07)That's a cop-out Marty.  I posted words straight out of the scriptures, and you joked about my “vivid imagination”.  Stop joking for a minute and SHOW ME the thing I posted that is NOT the words of the scriptures.Mike, when God istructed Adam in the garden, and Adam passed on those instructions to Eve, and S…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 11 2011,12:16)Paladinyou say;Quote Do you see no significance in the chronological facts that God spoke of the creation by God alone in Isaiah, Malachai, and other old testament passages, then in the new testament tells us of the new creation by Jesus Christ, before telling us Jesus is the firstborn of creation? Before he…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 11 2011,11:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2011,11:46)Quote (942767 @ May 10 2011,08:14)Irene:He was the only Begotten Son of God who was born of the virgin Mary, the firstbegotten of God, and then he obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross, and he then was resurrected from the dead, or he was born again from the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2011,11:42)Quote (Paladin @ May 10 2011,03:46)When Jesus took a cord and made a scourge ut of it to drive the money-changers from the temple, it was not because he hated them, nor was it because they were beneath the power of his love, no, my friends, it was becasue they were desecrating his father's house by making…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2011,11:36)Quote (Paladin @ May 10 2011,03:37)“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:” The same principle applies when Paul uses “whether” in…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 11 2011,03:00)and this ones;Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me(Christ the son) forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; Pr 8:23 I(Christ) was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I(Christ) was given birth, when there were no springs abounding w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2011,10:21)Quote (Paladin @ May 11 2011,07:00)Jesus the son of David had established the newness of all, and was declared to be the son of God by the resurrection. That was the point at which God declaed him to be his son; The day of  his resurrection.Matthew 316As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2011,13:56)Quote (Paladin @ May 09 2011,06:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2011,03:14)But Micah 5:2 says his origins are from ancient times.And just what do you think prophecies are? If God prophesied that Mike would be saved by obeying the gospel, would not Mikes' prophesied goings forth be from of old through the…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 11 2011,01:33)Quote When God said Jesus is the firstborn of creation, it was well after the crucifixion, and resurrection, both of which took place in the 33rd year of Jesus' life. Paul tells us of Jesus being the firstborn of creation in 60 a.d.Paladin!  That makes no sense at all.  When we read all in the New and Old T…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 11 2011,00:44)Quote (Paladin @ May 10 2011,20:37)Quote (Pastry @ May 10 2011,09:22)Quote All this passage proces is that God raised Jesus to be the firstborn from the dead, and arranged it so that christians would comform to his image, and be younger brothers to him who was firstborn.No “pre-existance” required other than the…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 11 2011,01:41)Also, Jesus was His literal firstborn Son, while both Israel and David were not. And you know this because…..???Quote They were born of man, Jesus was not….What do you think Mary was? Adam and Eve were the first man, Adam. “Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 11 2011,00:44)Quote (Paladin @ May 10 2011,20:37)Quote (Pastry @ May 10 2011,09:22)Quote All this passage proces is that God raised Jesus to be the firstborn from the dead, and arranged it so that christians would comform to his image, and be younger brothers to him who was firstborn.No “pre-existance” required other than the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 10 2011,09:41)Quote (Paladin @ May 10 2011,15:22)Quote (terraricca @ May 09 2011,11:29)Quote (942767 @ May 09 2011,17:30)Hi:The following verses of scripture have been given by those who propose that Jesus pre-existed as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world.Col 1:12   Giving thanks unto the Father, which…[Read more]