Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2011,13:03)Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,16:42)“ws” is a Greek particle of comparison. John is telling us that when the saint so lives that he gives his life over to Jesus, and Jesus Christ lives in his flesh, “We beheld the glory, as of an only begotten son” becasue it is no longer the saint that people see, but Christ…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2011,12:13)Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,16:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011,11:10)Quote (Paladin @ May 15 2011,16:11)And “ho logos een pros ton theon” the logos was with the God. So ho logos was not the same one with whom he was with.Hi Paladin,Isn't that what I just said to Gene? Ho logos is NOT the same One that he…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2011,11:59)Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,05:56)That is my use of “or” where Peter said “as.” I was showing you (well, trying to show you at least) that Peter is saying that supreme kings commission all lessor men through authority bestowed by his supreme authority. That are all authorities, just some with more, some with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2011,11:45)Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,05:51)Peter is simply pointing out that the king is supreme, and all others are commissioned, whether governors, or cops on the beat.Okay.  So was I right that Peter's use of “whether” did not exclude “cops on the beat”, even though they were not specifically mentioned?I'll let…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2011,12:52)Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,16:42)Scripture does not say “He was called by the name;” it says “His name is called…” You know only that concerning the one described as “became flesh, it is said “we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,” “As of” is not synonymous with “of.” He did…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 17 2011,10:31)Quote (Paladin @ May 17 2011,10:02)Quote (Pastry @ May 17 2011,09:24)Quote (Paladin @ May 17 2011,09:05)Quote (Pastry @ May 16 2011,07:31)Mike!  I also found that when one confronts Paladin with an error He does not respond.  that He did when I pointed out that I take what Isaiah says about precepts upon p…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 17 2011,09:24)Quote (Paladin @ May 17 2011,09:05)Quote (Pastry @ May 16 2011,07:31)Mike!  I also found that when one confronts Paladin with an error He does not respond.  that He did when I pointed out that I take what Isaiah says about precepts upon precepts line upon line.  Paladin has not responded to say He was wrong. An…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 17 2011,01:47)Quote And who has an attitude,,,,…. Peace IreneAny one…?Any one…?

Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 16 2011,22:19)When the dust settles from this highly energized debate all I hope is that both Mike and Paladin continue on this site. I try to learn with pro's and con's of truth. You are both highly respected by all who read and hear. Sometimes we can major on a minor and its hard to let go. God has blessed you both. Your…[Read more]

Why are we entering the same territory for the third time Mike? Do you have a printer?Please, print this our so we don't have to go over it again.Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011,11:10)Ho logos is NOT the same One that he was with.  Therefore TWO are mentioned in John 1:1, and only ONE of them is “ton theon” (THE God).  So who is this other one t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011,11:10)Quote (Paladin @ May 15 2011,16:11)And “ho logos een pros ton theon” the logos was with the God. So ho logos was not the same one with whom he was with.Hi Paladin,Isn't that what I just said to Gene?  Ho logos is NOT the same One that he was with.  Therefore TWO are mentioned in John 1:1, and only ONE of t…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 16 2011,07:31)Mike!  I also found that when one confronts Paladin with an error He does not respond.  that He did when I pointed out that I take what Isaiah says about precepts upon precepts line upon line.  Paladin has not responded to say He was wrong. And I really don't expect him to either.  That too is te second time He…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 16 2011,07:31)Mike!  I also found that when one confronts Paladin with an error He does not respond.  that He did when I pointed out that I take what Isaiah says about precepts upon precepts line upon line.  Paladin has not responded to say He was wrong. And I really don't expect him to either.  That too is te second time He…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011,05:02)Paladin,I was not arguing that it didn't say “king OR governor”.  I was arguing that it did not say “king OR governor OR those he commissions”.Was I correct?  Did you inadvertently replace the word AS with the word OR?mikeMike, when the Apostles had completed their speeches in Acts 2, they continued to speak “…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011,04:24)Ah………….and I see now that as I was making my last post, you had already made your decision about Peter's words.  How sad.So Paladin, are we to subject ourselves ONLY to ones who are kings “OR” governors?  Or do you suppose your first understanding was correct and it includes even “the cop on the c…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011,02:38)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 15 2011,09:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 15 2011,03:49)FULLY God?  Here's some of what the NETNotes scholars say about their own translation:Thus the translation “the Word was fully God” was chosen because it is more likely to convey the meaning to the average English reader that the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011,02:12)Quote (Paladin @ May 14 2011,20:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2011,15:24)Quote (Paladin @ May 13 2011,06:17)Well, if “whether” means “even including” what does “even including” mean? “Whether” in this use is more akin to “excluding” as in “excluding all else.1 Peter 2:13-14Be subject to every human institution…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 16 2011,02:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 15 2011,03:49)FULLY God?  Here's some of what the NETNotes scholars say about their own translation:Thus the translation “the Word was fully God” was chosen because it is more likely to convey the meaning to the average English reader that the Logos is one in essence with God the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 15 2011,03:16)Let me demonstrate what Paladin, the “man of peace”, is really saying to ME.Quote (Paladin @ May 13 2011,04:03)Sometimes it requires that we “unlearn” what we know, in order to learn what God is saying to us.Translation:  YOU need to unlearn what YOU know because it is YOUR understanding of scripture that is…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ May 15 2011,15:39)To Thread Readers,Google the grammatical use of wether. I did. It appears to mean when more than one thing is referred to or are offered as a choice for selection. I believe Paladin has that which is the formally correct usage of the word “wether” understood correctly.                                          …[Read more]