Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,15:15)Quote (Paladin @ May 20 2011,06:25)In the beginning was the logos; and the logos was theon ;and “theos een ho logos.” Here, John is not saying the logos is the same person as ton theon, he is saying the logos was the same person as ton theon; but John later tells us the logos became not God (flesh) This God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,14:53)Please put your money where your mouth is and answer a simple question DIRECTLY, because listing 100 scriptures with the word “whether” is not an answer to my very specific question. Yes! It is, Mike. I have shown you 180 versesall directly tied to God's own application of “Whether” ans asked you to point to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,14:53)This is a new question I've never asked before Paladin.  I've seen where you belittled Irene for not knowing the meaning of “whether”. That is a direct lie Mike. Do not assign such nonsense to me. I never “belittle” anyone for not knowing a thing. Just because I question someone for not acknowledgeing…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,03:05)Right! Jesus is the firstborn from the dead, and many brethren will follow in resurrection. In fact Heb 12:23 is a reference to those who follow Jesus in resurrection, in prophecy.Why is this scripture the firstborn from the death?  It doesn't say that…..and neThe only Scripture that I know besides Hebrew 12 is…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,03:05)Paladin!  First I will continue praying for you.   My Husband too went through radiation.  It makes a person rather weak.  But He is fine now, no more Cancer.  Now, When you say that Rev. 19 does speak of Jesus, then why don't you believe it is Jesus in John 1:1  He is the firstborn of the death, the Scrip…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 22 2011,02:54)Paladin………Brother……..Thanks for the post to Mike explaining the Logos personified in the Flesh man Jesus i agree with that , but here is my understanding , A Logos or WORD can only exist (IN) the Mind of a person right?  So we must ask,  HOW does that WORD Exist (IN) the mind of that person?,  …[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,03:05)Paladin!  First I will continue praying for you.   My Husband too went through radiation.  It makes a person rather weak.  But He is fine now, no more Cancer.  Now, When you say that Rev. 19 does speak of Jesus, then why don't you believe it is Jesus in John 1:1  He is the firstborn of the death, the Scrip…[Read more]

Perhaps you could try my template and break it down line for line like I asked Marty to do?I don't even know what that means.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,15:15)Quote (Paladin @ May 20 2011,06:25)In the beginning was the logos; and the logos was theon ;and “theos een ho logos.” Here, John is not saying the logos is the same person as ton theon, he is saying the logos was the same person as ton theon; but John later tells us the logos became not God (flesh) This God…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 21 2011,02:12)Paladin………..Brother i see some difference between your explanation and my understanding of Logos, First i don't see where the Logos and GOD are different,  God is said to be Spirit and Spirit is what we recieve to conform to GOD. sending a Word (Logos) means nothing as word can or can not produce…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2011,14:44)Quote (Paladin @ May 17 2011,05:53)Ho logos was with ton theon, and was theos. Theon and theos are one and the same. Ton Theon is the direct object of “with.” Theos is the predicate nominative of the subject “ho logos.” The importance of this is found in the fact that no verse says “ho logos is theos;” the…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 20 2011,15:21)There are three Scriptures that shows Jesus was createde inCol 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: All men are created in the image of God and are the image of God. Since God is invisible at all times, there is no significance to being the image of the invisible God,…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 20 2011,18:45)Quote (Wispring @ May 20 2011,17:18)I hope Paladin is OK.Yes, I second that….. Have you ever gotten a personal Message from Paldin?  If so, you could send Him an e-mail…..I will pray for Him tonight……Peace IreneThanks Irene. I am still hanging in there, trying to find a way to say it so others can…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ May 20 2011,17:18)I hope Paladin is OK.Thank you for that, “W.”I am having a bad time with radiation therapy. I do not always have the time to interact with the posters on the board, and miss the exchange of ideas, But I am still trying to find a way to “say it” so others on the board will understand it. And it is not their…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 20 2011,06:30)Hi Paladin:And so, plain and simple, the scriptures state the Word that was with God became flesh, and not that God became flesh, meaning that the teaching that Jesus is God incarnate is not correct.  God did not become a man, but what He has said or spoken became flesh.  And the Word was God: “For God so loved t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2011,14:28)Quote (942767 @ May 19 2011,21:19)Hi Mike:I have already given you my understanding of this and so has Paladin.Maybe I'm mistaken Marty, but I don't believe any non-preexister has ever sufficiently answered this point.Quote (942767 @ May 19 2011,21:19)Verse 7 in the KJV state that “he made himself no…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2011,14:37)Quote (Paladin @ May 17 2011,04:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2011,11:59)Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,05:56)That is my use of “or” where Peter said “as.” I was showing you (well, trying to show you at least) that Peter is saying that supreme kings commission all lessor men through authority bestowed by his…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 18 2011,03:45)Quote (Paladin @ May 18 2011,00:47)Quote (Pastry @ May 17 2011,23:33)Quote God was not saying this is the way to learn, Irene, he said this was the only way Israel could handle the truth; and still they could not understand it; but God's word was unto Israel, here a little, there a little, that they might go and…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 17 2011,23:33)Quote God was not saying this is the way to learn, Irene, he said this was the only way Israel could handle the truth; and still they could not understand it; but God's word was unto Israel, here a little, there a little, that they might go and fall backward, and be broken and snared and taken.”For with stammering…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 17 2011,01:48)Paladin………..Just for my clarification, Jesus said GOD was a Spirit, as i believe you also believe, then he said , The “WORDS” i am telling you ARE spirit  and life.  My problem is separating GOD from His word, it is like trying to separate a man from his words. Jesus also said the Father was in Him…[Read more]