Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 22 2011,03:11)Quote (Paladin @ June 21 2011,08:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,02:54)Quote (Paladin @ June 10 2011,10:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,01:15)Hi AllI think the Greek of a world renowned Greek Grammarian like AT Robertson out ways any of the anti-preexistence chatter I have seen in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2011,13:21)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2011,07:59)Please tell us How a WORD can BE FLESH,Gene, I've already told you this 100 times.  If the spokesman for the King of Abyssinia can be called “the word of the king”, then the spokesman for God could also be called “the Word of God”.  And a SPOKESMAN of God, who was e…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2011,23:41)Quote (Paladin @ May 11 2011,09:35)Jesus is called “son of God” 188 times in 74 verses in the N.T.Jesus is called “Son of man” 274 times in 97 verses in the N.T.Hi Paladin,We don't always agree, but we should always seek to agree (here's an example).This information (you gave) should “PROVE” to you there is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 22 2011,03:11)Quote (Paladin @ June 21 2011,08:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,02:54)Quote (Paladin @ June 10 2011,10:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,01:15)Hi AllI think the Greek of a world renowned Greek Grammarian like AT Robertson out ways any of the anti-preexistence chatter I have seen in…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,02:54)Quote (Paladin @ June 10 2011,10:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,01:15)Hi AllI think the Greek of a world renowned Greek Grammarian like AT Robertson out ways any of the anti-preexistence chatter I have seen in this thread.John 17:5…With thine own self (para seautwi). “By the side of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2011,13:41)Quote (Paladin @ June 09 2011,07:04)Jesus wants the glory of God himself, not the glory of being beside God.Surely Jesus knows that God shares His glory with no one, right? Surely you know that man is the glory of God, right?Quote Paladin, if there is no Greek rule prohibiting 17:5 to have Jesus asking to be…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2011,11:56)Hi Paladin,What claim to fame does the KJV have?  They have themselves made many changes from the old version to the new, right?Yet many people seem to think it is the “infallibly perfect” translation, and “written in stone”.  Could you tell me why?mikedifferences between KJV translation from Majority text a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,14:19)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 19 2011,15:19)Was King David a root of Jesse also> YES, Well, there's half of the problem, Gene.  The correct answer is NO!  David was a BRANCH of his father Jesse, not a ROOT of him.    So much for MY ignorance of simple logic.  Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 19 2011,15:19)Mike as f…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,14:19)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 19 2011,15:19)Was King David a root of Jesse also> YES, Well, there's half of the problem, Gene.  The correct answer is NO!  David was a BRANCH of his father Jesse, not a ROOT of him.    So much for MY ignorance of simple logic.  Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 19 2011,15:19)Mike as f…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 14 2011,01:38)Hi AllWhy is it that every thread ends up about the Trinity being true or false?  WJbecause people have egos that have to be stroked.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2011,00:37)Ed j……….Paladin is correct in his post above it only takes 1 or 2.54 as he said to totally change the meaning of scriptures, i believe his point and example was quite accurate brother.peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..geneGene, Ed is referencing a post I…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 12 2011,03:40)Quote (Paladin @ June 11 2011,06:36)So tell me WJ, what do you think of wescott and Hort as scholars?Hi PaladinIt doesn't really matter much what I think about Wescott and Hort simply because much of the debate has already been settled over which are the best or more accurate manuscripts. Most modern…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,08:40)Quote (Wispring @ June 10 2011,12:23)Hi WJ,Argument from authority. In this case one who is no longer with us. argument from antiquity. In this case the “the winners” of the theological wars/debates of the early church.   ATR was a member of the Southern Babtist Church. He most certainly was…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 11 2011,02:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,01:15)Hi AllI think the Greek of a world renowned Greek Grammarian like AT Robertson out ways any of the anti-preexistence chatter I have seen in this thread.John 17:5…With thine own self (para seautwi). “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,01:15)Hi AllI think the Greek of a world renowned Greek Grammarian like AT Robertson out ways any of the anti-preexistence chatter I have seen in this thread.John 17:5…With thine own self (para seautwi). “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ June 10 2011,14:51)No Paladin, we will share in the divinity with Christ.  You simple ignore a lot of plain written Scriptures.  Mike has done a great job, and you give never were credit is due…. 2Pe 1:4   Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, ha…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2011,14:44)Paladin,I have no clue what “give Himself in glory” is even supposed to mean.  The words make no logical sense in English, as opposed to the words Jesus said about having glory alongside his God before the creation of the world.Well, Mike, that's what happens when you “translate” everything to accomodate…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2011,13:41)Quote (Paladin @ June 09 2011,07:04)Jesus wants the glory of God himself, not the glory of being beside God.Surely Jesus knows that God shares His glory with no one, right?  Paladin, if there is no Greek rule prohibiting 17:5 to have Jesus asking to be glorified IN THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE of his God (which…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2011,14:13)Quote (Paladin @ June 08 2011,04:24)As to the question you keep asking me, and looking for an answer from me, it is not relevant; and the reason it is not relevant is once more you are trying to impose different things into the discussion, as though they have a significant application. You are asking me to…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 05 2011,01:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2011,13:16)Quote (Paladin @ June 01 2011,08:39)Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour *with God.Whatever you say about “para” in John 17:5 must also apply to Luke 1:30, or a reasonable explanation as to why not,First that's a strange…[Read more]