Quote (Pastry @ July 07 2011,05:58)Quote Is that the new standard on this board Irene?Paladin!  There is no new standard.  I am not concerned about the Greek either.  I don't care what you think any Scripture means in the Greek.  I go by what the Bible says, Period……It was good enough before you came.  Well for this Lady it still is good enou…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2011,01:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2011,12:32)So which HIM would ever have the glory of an only begotten from the Father?  Which HIM did John make clear he wrote his gospel about?  Which HIM was John the Baptist unworthy to even untie the sandal of?Guess what?  It was this same HIM who was with God in the be…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ July 07 2011,00:54)Paladin!  You tell me where you said YOU were wrong?Is that the new standard on this board Irene?Paladin is supposed to say “I am wrong” for you to allow me to continue on the board.Well, tell me Irene, if I am wrong, shouldn't there be something for me to be wrong about?Care to show it to me?something I posted…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ July 06 2011,23:46)Quote (Paladin @ July 06 2011,21:14)Quote (Pastry @ July 06 2011,11:54)Paladin!  In John 21:15-17 Jesus was asking Peter whether he had agape love.  Since Peter denied Him three times, He did not have agape love, and Jesus knew that.  Your claim always is you are right and all translators of the English and th…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2011,12:43)Quote (Paladin @ July 05 2011,05:37)Quote (mike @ 64)Paladin,You are confusing an action that WAS continuous IN THE PAST with an action that is STILL ongoing and has NEVER ended.Not me. I never claimed any such thing. I have never said”Still ongoing” nor have I said “Never ending.” That is simply another…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ July 06 2011,11:54)Paladin!  In John 21:15-17 Jesus was asking Peter whether he had agape love.  Since Peter denied Him three times, He did not have agape love, and Jesus knew that.  Your claim always is you are right and all translators of the English and the German are wrong…..I don't claim to know Greek, but I trust the Tr…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,09:43)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,16:30)Wrong! What is there about “not completed” that you perceive as “stopped?”Where do you come up with “not completed” from “a continuous action IN THE PAST”?What really is amazing to me, is that you make any claims at all about any kind of Greek knowledge. your questions show…[Read more]

Bacdk on 182-2 I posed this question oo Mike, WJ and any one else who questions my teaching credentials;You claim to know the Greek well enough to accuse me of being wrong in the Greek, so let's just examine a theme and see where you go with it.Tell me what john 21: 15-17 is about.Since no one cares to respond, I will present you with a lesson in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,13:04)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,18:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,09:43)Wrong! What is there about “not completed” that you perceive as “stopped?”Where do you come up with “not completed” from “a continuous action IN THE PAST”?Basics Of Biblical Greek Grammar; Wm. D. Mounce The imperfect expresses linear…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,13:04)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,18:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,09:43)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,16:30)Wrong! What is there about “not completed” that you perceive as “stopped?”Where do you come up with “not completed” from “a continuous action IN THE PAST”?Basics Of Biblical Greek Grammar; Wm. D.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,09:43)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,16:30)Wrong! What is there about “not completed” that you perceive as “stopped?”Where do you come up with “not completed” from “a continuous action IN THE PAST”?Basics Of Biblical Greek Grammar; Wm. D. Mounce The imperfect expresses linear action in past time and is only in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,03:37)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,09:41)The very name of the Tense comes from its basic significantfeature, i.e., it describes a past continuous action AND it does not tell us whether that action was ever completed, or whether that action was not completed; it is silent as to the cessation of activity.Hey Gene,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,03:24)Btw Paladin,Could you verify the accuracy of Gene's most recent post (the parts concerning our discussion about “echo”).  We both know it's nothing but gibberish, but maybe he'll believe it if YOU tell him.  Then maybe he'll remain silent at the children's table until we're discussing something he u…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,03:19)While it is very telling that you now admit you can't tell whether the action was completed or not, I'm still awaiting an answer, Paladin.  The question is bolded at the bottom of my previous post.  If you “can't tell”, then there is no way for you to claim with any certainty that the glory Jesus referred t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,01:47)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,08:22)The problem is, sometimes in scripture the two seem to get mixed as though it doesn't matter, and that adds to the confusion among scholars.Paladin,They don't “sometimes seem to get mixed as though it doesn't matter”.  The fact is that the two words simply mean “word”, and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,01:37)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,03:25)What part of….. For you to describe Jesus as having glory in the past, and it stopped, and he now wants it restored, or applied again, requires Aorist application to the grammar, not imperfect, which describes a continuous possession of glory, and being continuous,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,01:01)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,02:40)When God has an idea or concept, it is logos. When God expresses it by reducing it to a written record, it is reema.There are occasions in scripture where it seems that the words overlap in application.       Do you see that Marty?  This is the closest any of us will eve…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 04 2011,13:42)PaladinQuote Tell me what john 21: 15-17 is about.  Back to top Jn 13:20 I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.”Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandmentsJn 15:17 This is my command: Love each otherIf they obeyed my teaching, th…[Read more]

Here are two examples of how the indicative imperfect verb effect how a matter is told about the “beginning” of which John wrote -“And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which *we had from the beginning, that we love one another. “But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,03:30) You now KNOW the answer, because I showed it to you.What arrogance.The “answer” has been showed to you many times over, but you will never see it.What part of….. Quote “Imperfect describes continuous action usually occuring in past. Aorist describes undefined action in past.: For you to describe Jesus as…[Read more]