Kevin,You don't scare me, I don't need to take refuge within the “safer sections”. I merely pointing out that because you have studied the bible for years and years and now deem it not even worthy to wipe with….why mock those who cherish it's every word? Folks here believe the bible and have faith in it's God, you know this by now I assume?…[Read more]

Stu and Kevin,Since you both are so good at pointing out the obvious, I'd like to ask you why you hope there is a God?Stu – you hope there is a God or you wouldn't be here. You said so yourself in the beginning that you were here to see if anyone had any new argument that could convince you. I suppose that could lead one to believe that you want…[Read more]

I'm sitting here over coffee this morning wishing that I could be accross the table from Kevin and Stuart. I would love a real-life conversation with the both of you!This morning I've contemplated what you both have shared….. I've looked at my own ability to reason and find logic in what we say we believe and what the so-called evidence shows.…[Read more]

David,I think that perhaps your view of “most people” is tainted by the fact that you go door to door and solicit from people. This is how your religion tries to gain influence with folks towards the gospel (it's one way to do it, certainly not the only way). I know Christians who will shut down a JW at the door. They want nothing to do with…[Read more]

Good morning, Theo.Quote I need to revisit my understanding of just what Gods love entails…Perhaps the necessity for correction,because of our stuborn stiff necked nature was the only option availableVery good point, brother.  Love can look like discipline and correction.  In fact we are told that our sonship is not even genuine unless we r…[Read more]

Hi David,Quote The 12 apostles and those with them have receptive hearts. Therefore Jesus says: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the kingdom of the heavens, but to those people it is not granted.”Do you count yourself amongst the group that is receptive and given true understanding? If so you have quite a few bro…[Read more]

Shaking head….

Keith has taken his ball and gone home…..Your riding off on your horse….I guess I better get back to doing laundry!Thanks for the chat Nick (and Keith if you are still listening somewhere…) Later,Mandy

OK guys,This horse is dead. I certainly don't want Keith to get all upset and throw in the towel with those of us who question the absoluteness of the bible. For reasons given here there is ample reason to doubt that all scripture we have in hand is accurate. However blind faith can overcome this and does in the vast majority of believer's.…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 20 2008,11:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2008,11:16)Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 20 2008,11:11)Keith,I do trust the Spirit and what God tells me.  But I do not hold other's to it's message because I can plainly see that Spirit gives other's different messages……MandySo the Spirit of God speaks one thing to someone and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2008,11:16)Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 20 2008,11:11)Keith,I do trust the Spirit and what God tells me.  But I do not hold other's to it's message because I can plainly see that Spirit gives other's different messages……MandySo the Spirit of God speaks one thing to someone and then speaks something contradictory to…[Read more]

Sure, there is certainly more than one definition for anything. But why search for another definition just because one doesn't fit what you want to believe? We do that so much around here, don't we (myself included).

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 20 2008,11:11)Hi not3, You have to put your faith somewhere? In yourself or in God?Huh?

Sound – NO defectThat sounds pretty perfect to me? No?

Keith,I do trust the Spirit and what God tells me. But I do not hold other's to it's message because I can plainly see that Spirit gives other's different messages……

sound having no defect as to truth, justice, wisdom, or reason: sound advice.

You brother's believe the Bible is “sound”? How curious. How can you believe that about a project that was put together by committee? And that later was found to be in error?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 20 2008,10:56)Hi not3,Sooner or later you will have to go back to trusting God as we have nothing useful to offer.The bible is sound. More trustworthy than any man.Hi Nick,Oh, I trust God alright. But God is not pages in a book or pew's in a building. He is Spirit and he teaches us what we need to know.

Hey Keith,I can tell when you start to get a bit miffed at me….you start to call me “not3” instead of “Mandy”.     I'm just kidd'en ya.Quote Is it entirely possible that God is able to preserve his inspired written word?I believe anything is possible with God.  But it doesn't appear that he “preserved” his inspired written word when it co…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2008,10:09)In the end God will show who is telling the truth and who is not.You had me until this line above…..I don't believe it's that cut and dry. If it were, I would consider God to be extremely unfair for giving us a collection of books that can be interpreted a zillion ways to Sunday and then expect us to…[Read more]