Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2008,07:22)Hi not3, Jesus confirmed what God had said through them. But you disagree?Perhaps those were the scriptures not yet tainted?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2008,07:45)Hi not3, Are there any verses you still hold as precious?Hi Nick,There are many sentences in various books that I hold precious.  The same is true for the bible.  However, I do not blindly believe that God inspired every word.  Further, I do not believe he would agree with every word that is present in it…[Read more]

Yes, and all that he said would be fulfilled was not (but that is another topic for another thread).Man shall live by every word that comes from God, true. Jesus didn't say that we were to live by every word of a collection of books.Does following Jesus mean you have to believe the bible? There are other books written about Jesus…..

No He hasn't guarded the Word!!!And because He hasn't…..I don't trust it.

Hey Keith,Quote But because it isn’t true for you does not mean it is not true for others.That's a given.Quote Jesus had a narrow mind and said that the road that leads to life is narrow.Actually, Jesus had a pretty open mind. He chatted with sinners, he ate with folks that were not considered mainstream acceptable, he changed rules/laws b…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2008,06:51)Hi not3, Servants serve according to the Master's instructions. They are not as free as the gnostics or universalists but the rewards are greater.According to the “written” instructions?Haven't you heard, Nick? The written instructions ARE FLAWED!Could you imagine trying to follow flawed instructions to…[Read more]

Tim,I've come to the same conclusion that you have.However, from time to time, it's important to immerge and offer hope for those who are questioning. It's good for them to get Nick and Keith's stance on obeying every word as it's written (because of all the smart guys who translated it)…..but it's also very liberating to say, “It's…[Read more]

Hey DK,Chances are your family will make you wear a tshirt with a big, red, “x” on it during family functions. Tread carefully…..We all “see” things differently. I've really come to believe that there are many ways to God. Perhaps God is pleased with the JW doctrine? They lie and distort things – so do all mainstream Christian teacher's.…[Read more]

Through the tenor of the bible, we are told that the father's are “sleeping”. That indeed, we will join them when we die. Do you remember who Saul called “up” from his rest?

Hi Nick,That's acutally a pretty good response. However, God has not guarded his written word (if indeed it is his written word). The way it has been mishandled through time is a disgrace! I would not be too quick to give that credit to our dear Father. I don't think he would want his name signed to such a collection of distorted books!!!…[Read more]

Quote Because I started to really study the bible I have lost faith in it's innerancy. But I have not become an atheist. Any time you question the Hebrew bible you will be told that the next step is atheism. Christianity demands that a good Christian blindly believes every thing that is said in the bible. You are forbidden to think for…[Read more]

Exactly! Not every word in the bible came from the mouth of God.

Is the workings of the bible the “weakness of God”?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 12 2008,19:13)Hi not3, Those words are seeds of faith, a sword for defence and attacking vain speculations and the bread of life.Maybe.Maybe they are also the words of Scribes and whoever else added and took away from those words.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 12 2008,19:14)Hi not3, To whom else can you go?Sorry?

Quote (charity @ Dec. 09 2008,17:59)DesiderataBy Max EhrmannGo placidly amid the noise and haste,and remember what peace there may be insilence.As far as possible without surrenderbe on good terms with all persons.Speak your truth quietly and clearly;and listen to others,even the dull and the ignorant;they too have their story.Avoid loud and…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ Dec. 09 2008,17:59)DesiderataBy Max EhrmannGo placidly amid the noise and haste,and remember what peace there may be insilence.As far as possible without surrenderbe on good terms with all persons.Speak your truth quietly and clearly;and listen to others,even the dull and the ignorant;they too have their story.Avoid loud and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2008,13:51)It is the scriptures with the help of the Spirit of truth that will keep the believer from falling. Jesus who is the “living Word” is the foundation.With all due respect, bro, I can honestly say that this has not been totally true for me.The Scriptures have not kept me from falling, if indeed I have fal…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 12 2008,12:43)Nick,Mandy's faith in Jesus seems strong, her faith in fallible man does not appear strong – she seems to be testing ALL things and holding fast to that is good.Foundation is the bible or Jesus? 1 Cor 1Cr 3:10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 12 2008,10:42)Hi Mandy,Would be nice if you stuck around   ….. however I know what you mean when you said,  tit for tat is wearying   ………. and the spoon and leaven  ……..The answer to one question leads to many more questions to ask   and a lot of people have no idea why you are asking the questions  ……[Read more]