The RSV puts 1 John 5:20 this way: And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding,to know him who is true;and we are in him who is true,in his Son Jesus Christ.This is the true God and eternal life.*********We are “in” him who is true (God) BECAUSE we are “in” Christ. See, earlier in the story, we were told that “God” is…[Read more]

Not3in1Do you really believe God is gonna give us (humanity) “ALL” power in heaven and earth?*********************************************************************************************WJ, I really am encouraged by you! I dare say you are the most enthusiastic Trinitarian I have had the priviledge to chat with in a long while. While I don't…[Read more]

This same Apostle later writes…1 Jn 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.Again, WJ, you need to identify the players. “Him who is true,” and “true God,” – who is Paul…[Read more]

In the parable of the Lost Son, I find an intersting insight to a Father and Son relationship:Luke 15:31″'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.”The fact that Jesus is God's Son (and a man), give us (mankind) hope that we also can have what the Father has (because everything the Father has is the Son's…[Read more]

Nick and WJ, I feel like telling you the same thing I told my kids this morning – “I only want to hear happy things coming out of your mouths! No name-calling!” Ha! But I understand that the pride factor on these boards run high. To say that we have no pride is even prideful. Good grief. Well, at any rate, I have learned from you all – Nick,…[Read more]

Charity, I'm sorry, I see you were not the one looking for a church but you had a quote of someone who was. Oh, well. I'm new here. Hopefully, whoever was interested will read the post and reply if they want to.:)

Charity, it can get pretty lonely “out here” without a church to belong to. Especially if you have been brought up in the church, like me. Recently, I have found a little fellowship that meets in a house under the Church of God Abrahamic Faith. While I am not wanting to “belong” to any denomination anymore – this group does not believe in the…[Read more]

Hello T8,I was just reading up on some of your beliefs surrounding pre-existence (in the Trinity forum). They are older posts, but I am the new kid on the block and I want to catch up. I'm pretty happy to be here and have already learned a lot. Like most folks who have left the Trinitarian churches…….it can get pretty lonely out here!

Ephesians 1:13,14For those who would like to look up the verses in the NIV, you will find that verse 14 says, “who” when referring to the Holy Spirit. In other versions of the Bible (ASV, for one), it doesn't say who, it says, “which.”One version leads you to assume the Holy Spirit is a “person,” and the other one a means by which something is…[Read more]

1 Cor. 2:16 is ref to Isaiah 40:13, which reads: “Who has understood the Spirit of the LORD, or instructed him as to his counselor?”The NIV has a note by the word “Spirit” – interstingly enough – that says: Or “s”pirit; or mindLORD = God (not my interpretation, my friend, check your OT)I'm not sure what you find amusing, WJ? My lack of…[Read more]

WJ, I don't know how to work the “quote” thing and so I will just answer questions at random for you. 1. Jesus being a man. Yes, I know we disagree here. When Peter answered the “Who do you say that I am?” question, he answered with – you ARE THE SON OF the living God. When Jesus replied to him, he said, “Simon, SON OF JONAH, this has been…[Read more]

Nick and WJ, I'm just getting ready to read through some scripture and noticed your current thread. I wanted to add that for me, when I started to think about the Spirit NOT being a seperate person, this verse helped tremendously:1 Corinthians 2: 10,11 – 16 (emphasis mine)10….but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all…[Read more]

Actually, I would like to extend a thank you to everyone on this board. I have been encouraged to see how many are studying the scriptures daily, and defending their beliefs. This board is sharpening my “give an answer for what you believe” skills…..thank you!

WJ, Excellent posts! I am heading out this morning to see a client, but I will ponder these things in my heart. When I return home this afternoon, I'll look up all the scriptures you referenced, and give a reply. I'm encouraged to see your zeal for the gospel. Press on, brother!

Adam Pastor, thank you so much for the link to your website. You have many, many interesting things to say on various topics. I will be reading into the night on this website, I can tell.The link to the “Biblical Unitarians” is the group that I first identified with when I denounced the Trinity in 2003. They have some excellent research!

The doctrine of the Trinity depends upon the reality of a “third person” called “the Holy Spirit” to complete a supposed multi-personal Godhead. Without such a separate person who is “co-eternal” and “co-equal” with the Father and the Son, the “Triune” God disintegrates. It is therefore wise to consider the reasons why this idea is not supported…[Read more]

WJ, When it comes to Bible Scholars and those who hold degrees……you can find as many as you would like to back your particular brand of religion. So-called “Scholars” come in all flavors. However, Jesus did not bring the Good News of the Kingdom of God to the learned men of the day. He brought the gospel to the fishermen. Jesus praised his…[Read more]

WJ, Indeed you are correct when you say that we do not serve the same Jesus.When Peter was asked by Jesus, “Who do you say that I am?” Peter gave an answer that I echo. He said, “You are the Son of the living God.” Now Jesus thought that his answer was correct. Not only did Jesus say his answer was correct, but he told him that it was revealed…[Read more]

Tim, thank you for the bible translation lesson! I forgot that I knew some of this!

WJ – We are all welcome to make as many bold statements concerning our faith as we'd like to. And I agree to disagree with you. Jesus is not the Creator. It was “through” Jesus that everything was made. That is certainly different than saying Jesus is THE Creator. When something is done “through” another person, it is only logical to assume…[Read more]