I know my belief about this is far too simple for most. Usually people say what you just said, “OK, ….thanks” and that is the end of that. And that is OK with me. But I wonder….is it that my belief is too simple, or that there isn't anything to debate? Scripture is pretty simple when taken for face value. A son is a son. How do we…[Read more]

Is God a man? Yes, his name is Jesus.************************************Reading this scares me. It puts a bit of fear in me because I know it's a lie. It is not written. God is not a man. John 1:1 can not be understood this way. Why? Because it would contradict other places where God says he is not a man. Where God says he does not…[Read more]

Hi Tim,I just posted this on another board, but, I believe that Jesus is the literal Son of God. I believe he existed “with” God, and “was” God only in the form of a plan/hope, and ultimately as the “seed” that was provided by God – in Mary. Jesus is therefore a product of both his parents, just like you and I are.

As for the verses that call Jesus God – I'll check out the other Trinity thread there for the discussion. I know that some of the scriptures you quoted can be quoted differently in other versions. In other words, there are no undisputed scriptures that call Jesus God, except for maybe, John 1:1 – and even that has different meanings to some.

Hi Tim2,I believe Jesus is the literal Son of God. To my knowledge, I am the only one who believes this way on this board? I believe that God provided the seed that met the egg in Mary; together, they made the baby, who is Jesus. Jesus is therefore part of God, and part of Mary. He is not an incarnate being. He is my literal brother (I'm…[Read more]

Yes, but Tim, don't get too excited…….God did not “beget” all by himself. If he did, then Jesus would be 100% God, right? But we know this did not happen.

and since everyone who heard him say,”The Father and I are one” took that to mean that He is God, then I will make the same conclusion that Thomas made, “Jesus is my God.”*************************But noone is recorded as calling Jesus God (except Thomas and that is doubtful – no pun intended:)) Is anywhere else it recorded that a follower or…[Read more]

Regarding the “glory” of Jesus and God —– I believe they are two separate glories. Jesus has glory as the only begotten Son. God has glory as Creator, and will not share it with another. I once did a study on this. I'll have to find my notes.

Tim2 writes:I suggest that you follow all of the apostles because of Christ's merit, not their own, and because of His command to do so (Matthew 10:40, Luke 10:16).****************************************Yes, Tim2, good points. Good correction. I don't have a favorite disciple. Most would say they relate with Peter because he denied Christ.…[Read more]

Sorry, my last paragraph doesn't make a lot of sense – I was distracted, and my attention away from the computer for a minute. My point is that Christ has a sign of authority over his head – just like man does – just like the women does. This is/was the whole point of this passage. God is above Christ. It doesn't say: “….and God is the head…[Read more]

That God is the head of Christ means that the Son has subordinated Himself by becoming man, which is inferior to God.*****************Do you have a scripture that says this is what Jesus was thinking? And please don't quote Philippians 2 – any others? You cannot look to one passage of scripture to explain a theory such as this. It must be a…[Read more]

Tim2,Jesus prayed that we would be “one” with the Father. IN THE SAME WAY that Jesus was one with the Father. Does that mean that we are God, too, then?

Jesus is divine but not God, himself incarnate.God begets God – OK, fair enough. Man begets man – OK, fair enough. When you cross God with a man, what do you get? A divine man.

WJ writes:Not3in1Do you feel good about calling Yeshua these thing?.Put it this way. If you were there would you say these things to Yeshua?Jesus you are ignorant.Jesus you are powerless.Jesus you lack wisdom.Jesus you need perfecting.Jesus you cant be God and die.Maybe you could say these things to him. I dont know.But this truly makes me sick…[Read more]

DIRECT STATEMENTS of a Trinity – zip, zero, none, keep looking, keep praying!Tim2, thanks for this thread. You better believe I'm going to be watching it. Considering you have sent me to hell, and told me I'm not a brother to Christ for NOT believing the Trinity. WOW, I better see here that you have CLEAR AND DIRECT proof of the Trinity. Good…[Read more]

WJ,How can “they” be “one” God when clearly one of these members has a sing of authority on his head? I've asked this before with no answer given? Thanks.

Besides the so-called proof of Thomas' confession. AND THOMAS WAS A DOUBTER! I know Tim2 loves to be connected to Thomas. I wouldn't be so proud to be connected to a doubter. Even Jesus said that it was better to believe without seeing…..

WJ writes (speaking of Jesus)….Please give him the honour due him as God.Its really sad that you have let men decieve you into accepting another Jesus other than the one you first recieved.***************************I WILL NOT CALL JESUS GOD! I will only give that honor to my Father, who is God Almighty! For this command is written in…[Read more]

So you say that Saturday is the Sabbath? OK. That's fine with me. Also, I try to keep all 10 of the commandments, especially the one that Jesus added…..love your neighbor as yourself!I just reviewed the 10 commandments, and I can see why you are so passionate about “the day” in which to worship, and which day is the Sabbath – to keep it…[Read more]

Surely our Father gives us some grace where this keeping of days is concerend? Ken – what about the passage in Romans 14:5 …..one considers a day more holy…….? Maybe this does not include the sacred Sabbath? I've never really given this a ton of thought until now. I worship everyday. Ever since I denounced the Trinity in 2003, I study…[Read more]