He is called the Word of God now and just because God expressed his Word and gave him life, doesn't mean that God himself emptied himself of his word***************************t8, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Um, using my example, just because you give your seed and a child is produced, doesn't mean you give away all your seed or…[Read more]

Jesus is equal to the Father concerning his Godhead, but inferior to the Father concerning His manhood.****************This was Tims quote that I was questioning. Thanks.

Wait! Before you guys move on too quickly, I have a question: Jesus called the Father his God – but only the “man” part of Jesus was calling the Father – God? So, in other words, the “fully God” part of Jesus did not call the Father God? Can Jesus talk out of both sides of his mouth? How does this work, Tim? Seriously. I've never understood…

Tim2, I'm confused then. If God is three persons in One God – why do they not ALL indwell each other? Shouldn't that be a pre-req for belonging to the trio (mutual indwelling?) Please explain. I wouldn't base a belief that either saves you or sends you to hell on INFERENCE!

OK. My theory is not a popular one here on John 1:1, but as I can see Nick and Tim2 are at a stand-off, I'll interject my little thoughts.How can the Word stop being God (because he WAS God in the beginning)? Well, given the fact that I believe Jesus was born, and in being born (for the first and only time, I might add), he became the Son of…[Read more]

The Lord “formed” Adam out of dust and breathed life into him.Women was “made” from the rib of Adam (not dust).Jesus was begotten.Anyway, I don't want to get in trouble for not staying on topic, which is John 17:3.

Adam Pastor – thank you! I was beginning to think I was out in left field. It's good to know there is someone else out in left field to chat with now and then I am studying t8's pre-existence scriptures this morning. I'll be posting on that board sooner or later with some comments (not that those comments haven't been voiced before), but we…[Read more]

t8, actually I just went to the pre-existence board and read for quite a while. A lot of my understanding of scripture has already been presented there. And more eloquently, I might add. So, I doubt that anything I have to say will make any difference. But thanks for the scriptures – I'll study them

You'll see that Tim2 asked about pre-existence and it went from there. Sometimes it is difficult to stay focused on one topic as they always seem to meld together at some point. But, thanks again for the reminder (Nick also reminded me on another board to stay on topic, while I wasn't the one who initially got us off topic there either). I'm…[Read more]

t8, while I have you here…….I just printed off all the verses regarding pre-existence that you lead me to. Did you write this? Will I be reading your conclusions regarding these verses?I'll look for a board that deals with this topic of pre-existence, and post after I investigate all these scriptures given. Thanks for this opportunity.

t8, I will take a look at all these verses, thank you. I see that the topci has wondered many times off the subject intended…. sorry for contributing to that!

and was with Godso not in God or as God. ********************Of course you and I disagree on this point – as we have discussed several times.There are no verses that clearly disprove that Jesus was the plan/hope that God possessed when he made all things. In this way, John 1:1 says that the Word was God. Then, the plan/hope was born through the…[Read more]

Those with spiritual eyes, prophets, even demons, recognised his previous estate as the monogenes Son.As a spirit being like to God he was soul\spirit so to become man he had to be integrated in flesh too.God made him just like us to forge for us the possibility of eternal life with Him. *******************************The demons said Jesus was the…[Read more]

Tim2 – in what WAY was the Word God?Nick – I think I'm following you now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Tim2, you're funny. I've seen you “argue” up a storm with Nick and others. Why are you tired of arguing with me when we have exchanged only a half dozen posts? I think it might be the subject matter?I would agree to a debate with you regarding pre-existence and the PROOF surrounding whether or not Jesus was a “person” prior to his birth. The…[Read more]

Nick, you say that Jesus is the Son of God alone. What makes you think this? Jesus is the Son of God AND of man, is he not?

Tim2 – are we arguing? Nick and t8 – I do not agree with you brothers, I'm sorry. In your view, Mary was just the body that produced something that was already existing. This does not follow the conception and birth story. This is not what is written. Furthermore, it makes a mockery out of family, and how we produce after our own kind. Why…[Read more]

Nick wrote:When the fullness of deity as the Holy Spirit of God was on earth in the vessel of ChristChrist told men to pray to God in heaven.So God is more than His Holy Spirit.****************************************What you have written is confusing to me.God is spirit. And there is the “gift” of holy Spirit.Plus, I do not feel that Christ was…[Read more]

See, I have read that Jesus is the Son of God, and so I believe it. I have read that the holy Spirit is WHO God is, and so I believe it. I have read that there is only One God, and that is the Father, and so I believe it.I was ready to give the Trinity a try when I found 1 John 5:7, but then read it was a corruption of scripture, and so I do not…[Read more]

Hi Tim,I didn't exist prior to my birth as a person. Neither did you. Why do you believe that Jesus did? If Jesus is our brother, then he was born just like you and me.If Jesus pre-existed already as a person…………………..why did God need Mary?