Tim2 wrote:Direct statements of one God and three persons: (pretty clear support of Trinity)**********************************Tim, at least you were honest when you said “pretty clear support of Trinity” instead of just defending the scriptures as being so “clear” that anyone couldn't deny it.Speaking of which, because they are not clear, it…[Read more]

Right, WJ. As I do not believe in the incarnation, and you do, we may have more than a bit of misunderstanding between us.But I believe that Jesus was with God as a son is with his father before they are born. I believe scripture also teaches this. Scripture is vague if it is referring to an incarnation OR even more vague regarding Nick's…[Read more]

Here's the thing guys – I believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Literally. Why is that a crime of not believing by faith? It is taught clearly in scripture, too. In fact, it is more likely and taught clearer than both of your views! Jesus had geneology! He had a Mother! And yes, you can give “birth” to plans………….you…[Read more]

Jesus was taught right from wrong.Does anyone think before he was taught to do right that he did wrong? And was that wrong in anyway a “sin?” I guess not if Jesus “knew no sin.” However, we are also taught that all wrongdoing IS SIN. Curious topic.

Here I go again………but HOW was he “with” the Father? Anyway, I believe that Jesus was with the Father alright – but not as a second person of himself – and not as a spiritual person. Jesus was with God as his son to be brought forth, as the plan of the Father, as the word of the Father that would be manifested in the birth of Jesus.

And AMEN Adam Pastor!!!!!!!!!!!! Good facts. Bring it on home brother

Jesus is YHWH, the true God, **************Tim – is there a verse that says Jesus is the only true God? Where?

Two persons (three counting the child that is conceived), one flesh. This is the image of God.*********************Wow. This is stretching it a bit, don't you think?

Good last point Nick.But I do thank you, Tim, for these verses. I will take a look at all of them again. It takes some time to do this research, so thank for bringing it to the table for review.

Thanks, Nick!I just wanted to make sure your belief wasn't that Jesus was “just” the vessel for God as in a incarnation.Hi not3,Absolutely.*************************In the above short conversation you said you didn't believe in the incarnation. However, in another thread you and I are a part of, you said you believe that Mary is a surrogate…[Read more]

By making Mary a surrogate Mother – you are saying you believe in incarnation. I do not believe the bible teaches incarnation ANYWHERE. I believe we will have to agree to disagree here.

Oh! I reread your post: You DO believe that Mary didn't contribute to the person who is Jesus. Wow……she is only a surrogate. That is so sad to me. I think it would be sad to Jesus too. He probably had her eyes, or her sense of humor

Hi Nick,To be perfectly honest with you, Nick, I'm not sure “what” I am. Ha! Possibly, that is why I am here. To really get into “check” what my beliefs are. By refuting what I think is false, I just might be taught that I am in error? By listening to others and looking up scripture. By see another's views and applying them to what I already…[Read more]

Nick wrote:So he had no advantage over natural man that is not also available to his brothers******************************Are you kidding me?If he was fully aware of his former home, fully aware of happenings before Abraham, fully aware of former glory……how could he possibly not have any advantage over me? I don't have a clue what heaven is…[Read more]

Tim and Ken – thanks guy! Ha! Now I get it! I just thought he meant that it wasn't any big deal and it was a surface-type of thing. Ha! Oh, well, the many misunderstandings of “Nick.” He so misunderstood…….Ha! And loved Without Nick, a lot of topics would die. he keeps them well stirred.

Isaiah wrote:A representative of what though?….****************************************His Father.Remember the story in the gospels about the Father who sent his son to see about the rent (or the harvest) that was being robbed of him? He sent a couple servants to see about it for him, and they were killed. Then he sent his son, and they killed…[Read more]

Hi Ken,Was He tempted before He was baptized? **************************Well, this is just a theory because we are not told much of Jesus' life as a child.We are told he had to learn right from wrong…..so we can draw our own ideas from that.Also, in Isaiah somewhere it talks about God holding the right hand of the Servant and “keeping his ways…[Read more]

You guys are cracken me up Nick – we DO make theories! A theory is a guess. Sometimes I read things from you, and others and I think – where did they get that? It's not in scripture, well, then, it's a theory. The theory may even be truth – but it's still a guess! Some things are not written in scripture, and being men (and women), we are…[Read more]

When Jesus came to earth did he remember his former life as a spiritual person with God? If so, how did that affect his ministry here on earth? And if not, how come?

Tim2 writes:What you need, t8 & co, is a verse that says only the Father is the true God, but there is no such verse.************************LORD = God Almighty (see Preface to any bible)Deut. 32:6Is this the way you repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?Psalm 89:26He will…[Read more]