Now what?Share what you have learned with others!Invite others to study with you.Start a home fellowship with like-minded believers. Check the Internet for fellowships.Church of God Abrahamic Faith is a Christian church that rejects the Trinity.Also, Christadelphians also reject the Trinity. Try some of these for fellowship.Above all, be strong…[Read more]

No. But I believe the glory he “had” means something different than you do.

See, WJ, I know it's hard for you to believe that any of us so-called Unitarians love Jesus and give him glory and honor. But we do. I know I do. So, don't be sad for me……I know Jesus, and I follow him. I live knowing he died for me. I am fully aware of his sacrifice for me. I look forward to resting in him when I breathe my last. I…[Read more]

Just what I thought!**********************Glad I could clear that up for you Hey, I read on your profile that you play the guitar. Another thing we have in common, besides our sarcastic/defensive ways

WJ, yes it does.You interpret that passage to mean Jesus is the second person of the One true God, and as such he had “glory' with God, as God.I do not share the same belief OR interpretation.

No I do not believe Mary is a surrogate mother but the true mother of the Son of Man. ****************************Nick,So you do believe that Mary is the “true” mother of the Son of Man. But what of the Son of God?

Ah-ha! You've got a good point there Isaiah……..well…….back to the pondering board

Thanks, Nick. I believe all of these scriptures too! We differ on our definitions of “sent,” and “manifested,” and “came from God.”You see, both of our beliefs can be nicely fit into these verses. You believe God “sent” his Son that pre-existed into the world, and I believe God “sent” his seed into the world that manifested as his Son. Both…[Read more]

Nick, I've been sitting here reading your post over, and over again. Trying to put my finger on what, I feel, is wrong with this idea of Mary being a surragate mother only – and Jesus existing as a spirit person before his birth.And it came to me. If Jesus had already existed and was a complete “person,” in whatever form (spirit of physical),…[Read more]

God said he stretched out the heavens ALONE – with his own hand.You write:The monogenes Son was sent into the world, he proceeded forth and came from God Who is in heaven. The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus Christ came in the flesh.******************************I agree with this. Except you mean by “sent into the world” something…[Read more]

Help us understand what your interpretation is of the “Monogenes Son of God” and the Son of man.*******************Yes.

The firstborn Son is only firstborn if he was first. And since all creation came through him that does make sense.***************************FirstBORN. Jesus wasn't born until he was born. Otherwise the accounts in Matthew are for what?Jesus was the firstborn of the new creation to come. We will follow him in this new birth. In bringing many…[Read more]

Hi not3,You only have to read Jb 38 and Gen 1,2,6 Ps 89, Prov 30, Jb 1,2 to know that God had the company of His sons before and after the creation of earth and man*******************************I'm sorry but you have to infer that these OT verse were talking about the pre-existent, spiritual person, of Jesus Christ.

He sure didnt say “thou art the Christ the Son of man”.**************No, he didn't. And I wouldn't answer that question that way either!

When Peter was asked by Jesus who he thought he was he was told he was” the Christ, the Son of the living God”So no mention of Mary or David or his human roots.**********************************************I disagree, of course,It was custom to only recognize the Father. Jesus recognized Peter's father by first saying, “Simon, son of Jonah….”…[Read more]

Isaiah wrote:Hebrews 1:3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature (Gr. Hypostasis = essence/substance), and upholds all things by the word of His power When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,Do you see my point now?*********************************I do see…[Read more]

“how could a adjectival concept, an expression of God, have any kind of “life”?***************************Isaiah, the answer is – because he was born. In him was the life and light of men. God granted him life in himself.

Isaiah, I will look forward to this pre-existent thread. It is a topic that has really captured my interest because I believe it has everything to do with how you answer the question: Who do you say that I am?

Hi not3,Parents do not beget and spend time with and love a plan.**********************Nick, remember that your beliefs require you to guess that OT scriptures are pointing to this pre-existent Jesus. For there are no clear teachings that Jesus existed prior to his birth. In fact, the only clear verses point to his beginning at his birth. The…[Read more]

Jesus is called the true God in 1 John 5:20. ****************Tim2, keep looking. This verse can be interpreted to mean either God or the Son – check out any study bible notes on this one.Jesus is NOWHERE – including this verse conclusively – called the One true God. You can hope that this verse points to Jesus, but you also have to…[Read more]