OK, now we are getting somewhere. If your pre-existent, spirit being took on flesh AND also took on genes from Mary (now a combination of God and Mary)……this pre-existent, spirit person is no longer the SAME PERSON that was “with” God in the beginning. Put differently – we have the pre-existent Jesus – and we have the conceived Jesus. TWO,…[Read more]

Tim2, not going to get to my post tonight, but will try for tomorrow.

A true Mother, Nick, contributes to the child growing in her womb. You cannot have it both ways, I'm afraid.A. Either Mary conceived, and contributed to the baby and it alters your pre-existent spirit person. ORB. She is a surragate mother and did not alter the baby Jesus because she was only the body.A or B?

Nick,See the “God in the flesh” thread to see exactly where we left off on this subject……

Mary gave of her womb and her genes as women do so that with God's help the Son of God could have a body prepared for him.*************Nick, you are really sending me around the bush, here. If the above is what you really believe, than you DO believe Mary was a surragate mother. In another place you denied this.If Mary was just the “body” that…[Read more]

This is the thing, it couldn't have been emptied from him – not that which I am speaking of. Let me explain:You believe in a pre-existent, spiritual person that was alive with God before all time.This spirit person was “what” was “conceived” in Mary.However, when this spirit person was conceived in Mary………..this spirit person CHANGED,…[Read more]

Nick, you didn't answer my question.Did the conception alter the pre-existent spirit being?

I see the Word became flesh but nothing about a Son becoming flesh.*******************Ken, excellent point! Thank you.

94 – so very nicely put! Amen!I especially liked that you used the word “conception.” Remember, life begins at conception!

Tim2,We are all sinful (even you). But I don't think pointing out sin all day is what Jesus had in mind for his followers. And gee, once you point it out, let it go already. You're behavior here has become a bit abusive, if you ask me.

Ken, I think I'm missing your point? Sorry.

So he, who existed, had to partake of our estate, so we could follow him. ************************It's the “who existed” that I am focusing on here. If he pre-existed, and he “partook” of the flesh…and we understand what “conception” means…….then the pre-existent being CHANGED when he partook of flesh and was conceived. Are you willing…[Read more]

God is our Savior who delegates to his Son.2 Cor. 5:18All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ…..

Ha – that's what I'm asking YOU.

Romans 8:1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free fromthe law of sin and death.God does not condem me because of Christ. YOU shouldn't condem others either. By the same measure you are using to judge, SO SHALL YOU BE JUDGED. It's one thing…[Read more]

But again, this thread has turned into a Trinity thread. I came here hoping for more insight into the MONOGENES Son of God. Anyone?

1. Stop pretending that God is one person, and the confusion goes away.**********************Tim2, did you re-read this before you posted it? “Stop PRETENDING that God is one person…..” I would watch it, if I were you. Lightening does strike in the same place more than once What do you think the Jews of Jesus' day would have said to your…[Read more]

Again, I never said anything about God not being my Saviour.

So what does this do for your pre-existent spiritual person theory (with all due respect)?

You dont believe God is our Saviour?****************I never said that. I said God did not die for me. Jesus died and shed his blood for me.Even my NIV (which is a really Trinitarian bias translation), says in it's notes regarding the Acts verse: “His own blood, the blood of his own one, a term of endearment……referring to his own Son.”