And I believe you did mean to refer to me being the monkey on his back since I am the one challenging him on his false statements************Maybe I did, and maybe I didn't. But I knew that others were not extending grace either by my quick scan of the thread. At any rate, if I have hurt your feelings, then I am truly sorry WJ. I mean this. I…[Read more]

This is a sincere question. Was your motive to side with t8 because he is Non-Trinitarian?*********The Answer is that I haven't read the whole thread. And I've been preoccupied with illness, and my daughter's birthday.

WJ, you take things way to personal (like me).So now you've been called a pig, and a monkey…..and you're still here taking the abuse! Ha! I didn't mean to refer to YOU only as being the “monkey on his back” – I meant in general, brother. You are not the only one giving t8 a hard time, are you?I respect what you all have to say. My main…[Read more]

Adam Pastor – don't say your goodbyes so soon. You're not going anywhere! I'm enjoying this thread….

Logic to scripture…..well, we must to understand. See, this is where so many walk off the main road and follow the little paths along the way.When scripture says something like: God is One. We must use our logic to understand that scripture is telling us that God is a SINGLE person. Otherwise, you develop doctrine like the Trinity.So, I feel…[Read more]

Ah…….good passage, Nick. Thank you.Yes, deeper things. Sometimes we miss the basics though, and they are clouded by not using the reason and logic that God gave us! Then, and only then, can we move on to the “deeper” matters.

Phoenix,How is the job search going? Just checking in on you…..

I agree.Lord, comfort the down-hearted and give them peace that passes understanding. Amen.

Logic defends what it can see, touch, hear, smell, taste, and understand. Logic tells us that spring comes before summer; a child is first conceived before it is born, a God who says he is One is mathmatically ONE.We look to nature to help us in our logic. We understand God by his creation. It is right and natural to do this.Nothing in all…[Read more]

Monkey see, Monkey do!*************************WJ, you make me laugh. I'm not “siding” with anyone, silly. I am simply saying that it takes a lot of time (I'm assuming) to maintain a website such as this. And people, in general, were giving him a bad time for a time constraint. I mean, what's the big deal? Sometimes I think we just want to…[Read more]

t8, if it wasn't for your dedication AND time – there would be no forum for men to accuse you, and to show their wisdom I assume you have a family? Kids? A life?So, thank you for taking time to participate in these debates, and for your humble position.God respects those who are contrite at heart, and who tremble at his Word (holy fear for…[Read more]

94, if you have been following this pre-existent thread with Nick and I – you will find it very interesting indeed. I believe he has a unique view of the so-called pre-existent Christ. I do not share his view, but it is an interesting one. Good luck I'll be tuning in to see where you two go with this subject.

I didn't mean to exclude anyone, of course. I only meant to say that I was trying to understand NICK'S point of view. And because I was trying to understand his point of view, I was concentrating on his responses only. Thanks.

How come it has to be either way?*************Because I was talking with Nick only, and we were trying to narrow down his belief system so that I could understand.I understand that Trinitarians view this differently. Nick and I are not Trinitarians. Thanks.

Hi Nick,The absence of information should lead us to draw on knowledge that we already have, and put together ideas with clear information we have at our finger tips. Clear information like the conception process, the birthing process, and what both of those actions brings into existence. Also, the fact that none of us can remember a…[Read more]

I love you too Not3in1. I even love Nick. That's why I'm rebuking you*******************Rebuking once would be love. Rebuking over and over again is not love.

Is it a sin to be decieved?Come out of her MY people. Though deceived, they are still His people. Rev. 18:4 ******************Ken, this is deep. I'm going to be pondering this today. And thanks for the grace that this idea extends!

Nick, I believe you are pulling a “Tim2” and piecing scriptures together to affirm your theories. But I will look at these verses a bit more in depth, and post again tomorrow. I am fading quickly as it is getting late here. But you cannot separate the “flesh” from everything else as you are wanting these scriptures to say. Flesh would have been…[Read more]

And now here is a more excellent way: Love one another!And no, the whole discussion of the Trinity is not to point out sin, but to try to understand God better. To share beliefs and evaluate those beliefs with others.You are an abusive Trinitarian, but I love you anyway. For what would it be credited to me if I only loved those who loved me?

Tim2,Yes, the scriptures call Jesus God, they call the Father God, they call the Holy Spirit God – YES, YES, YES!!!! But what some have said so well, is that it is the context of which each is called God that we need to draw our attention to. Adam Pastor did a lovely job of pointing this out. Did you read his post? The Holy Spirit is called…[Read more]