Hi WJ, I was wondering when you were going to get here Hey, don't say “sad” – tell me why you think it's redefining. The definitions I gave are reasonable, are they not? Which part is sad?

Hi Nick – thanks. I guess I can't help but wonder what would have been his reception if the world knew he was born of a virgin? Would they have said he was God, for instance?

What are the differences between the Christadelphians and the Biblical Unitarians? Does any one know? Thanks.

That's my point exactly – why didn't others know? Why wasn't it told, I wonder?

Unisage – see the “Biblical Unitarian” thread for more on Mary and the “who” and “what” is Jesus. Nick and I had a lively debate there not too long ago.

I've wondered about this. I've wondered why the virgin birth wasn't given more attention in the gospels? I mean, come on! virgin births don't happen everyday. Truly, the story being re-told could have proven in a lot of ways who and what Jesus was. I don't know?

Tim4 writes:Hi Nick,Seriously, you said “None of the creeds were written by anointed men of God.”How do we know for a fact that they were not anointed by God?**********************Well, Tim, we certainly know from history that these men were under a lot of political pressure. Whether or not they were under the annointing of God's holy spirit, I…[Read more]

WJ seems to think that prayer to Jesus breaks commandments one and two. I do not pray to Jesus; I pray to God as Jesus led by example. I do believe we have fellowship with Jesus that was given to us by God. Prayer – requests Fellowship – friendship Friendship – not prayer1 Cor. 1:9″God, who has called you into fellowship with…[Read more]

Unisage writes:To make one thing clear.I believe the Hebrew and Greek are truly the word of God and that they were written by the Prophets and the Apostles..But I walk very carefuly when it is translated to English.I thought I let you know that.. *********************DITTO When you can have a half a dozen versions of the Bible open on one…[Read more]

WJ writes:Prayer is talking to a being you can not see.*****************Prayer is technically an earnest request or addressing a divinity. God encourages us to bring all our requests to him, for it is God that can facilitate the answer to our prayers. Jesus taught us to pray to God for this reason.1 Cor. 1:9God, who has called you into…[Read more]

WJ,I'll think about this some more over dinner – praying to Jesus versus having fellowship through the spirit. I'll post later tonight. Ponder, ponder……

WJ, no one can make sense of the Trinity. It is nonsense. When something offends your mind and the God-given reason and logic we are equiped with – it goes beyond not being able to understand it. It goes into the mystic realm where Jesus is not.

WJ,I think “praying” might be the hang-up here. We are to pray to the Father. However, we have fellowship on with another, and with God and his Son. Fellowship is relationship. Fellowship doesn't have to mean prayer.

WJ,This is interesting in that no matter what you try to use to describe your triune God, it is very difficult to graps (i.e.; egg having three parts, water being ice/steam, three leaf clover and so on). I believe the sun and it's rays are another example that falls short.

Oh! Excellent! Thanks for bringing this thread up again. I was just chatting with GW or WJ about the “Arm” of the Lord. This thread will come in handy.

WJ,I pray to the Father as Jesus instructed. But prior to denouncing the Trinity, I prayed to Jesus. At least I'm not praying to Saints, huh?

You cant seperate the rays from the sun t8. Without the sun there is no rays and without the rays there is no sun.*********************What about during an eclipse?

WJ,Thanks for your post.You write below:GW put it very well and all she got was scorn without any one challenging the substance of her words in the following…“The writer of Hebrews clearly states that Jesus is the EXACT image and representative of Jehovah God the Father (Heb. 1:3). If He is a god and not Jehovah God the Son, then worship of the…[Read more]

Tim 2 wrote:In any event, our salvation being through someone other than YHWH is impossible according to Isaiah 43:11.**************************Salvation is of God. Is his “arm” too short to save? “Arm” can be translated “offspring.” In many instances in Isaiah the “arm” is working salvation FOR God. I'll have to find those verses for you…[Read more]

Tim2 writes:That exact language isn't in the creeds, Not3,************But, Tim, doesn't that make you wonder? I mean, the bishops who got together to write these creeds did not even use biblical language to describe their “findings.” Now, we want to add to their non-biblical language even further? Where does it stop? Will it? Maybe hundreds…[Read more]