I guess that makes the “seeking” all the harder, doesn't it? One must not tire in their efforts to know the only true God, and his Son. Instead of being milk-fed from creeds and pastors/teachers……we have to find meat in the living Word of God. Thankfully, God's Spirit can teach us and lead us into truth.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,07:08)15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And….So that glory was shown on the mountain. It certainly was never shown prior to the Jordan according to Is 53.Of course as the word/Word/Jesus/Plan the Christ…[Read more]

Cannot thoughts be expressed?

Quote (Tim2 @ May 30 2007,06:47)I've already shown you where Paul rebukes the church for accepting another Jesus. A different jesus means a different father, one whom you believe didn't become his father until the physical birth of jesus. So Paul rebukes you for believing in this different father.You really are scrambling, aren't you?Paul…[Read more]

Tim,I like the “lala la lala” part No, it would be better if you had scripture to back up your unkindness; indeed, your murderous spirit towards those who do not believe implicit statements about your God. I would love to see scripture that shows I am not a child of God for believing that the Father alone is God. Good luck!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,05:37)Again Rev 19 seems to show the son of Man returning as the man from heaven and he has the Word written on him as identification as the king of kings.Rev. 19:13 shows that “The Word of God” is a name for Jesus. Whether God's word is written, spoken, or made flesh, it makes God known. As you know, Jesus has…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,05:37)So it seems pretty clear that Christ is that glorious being who was with God. Christ on earth prior to the Jordan had no obvious glory as Is 53 shows, so that glory, which he asked his Father to give him back, precedes his birth.John 1:14″…….and we have seen is glory, glory as of the only Son from the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,05:37)If the Word became flesh then the Word existed prior to becoming fleshYou are chosing that the Logos means Jesus. OK, but look at what you are saying when the Word became flesh.What the Word BECAME is flesh…….This only implies that “Jesus” existed prior to becoming flesh becaus you want it to. You have…[Read more]

John 1:14….and the word (expression of a thought, idea, plan) became flesh.”

Poor Tertullian – he didn't know what he wanted or believed towards the end, did he? He sure helped to muddy the waters of truth. I wonder what Jesus will say to him on that Day?

Quote (Cult Buster @ May 30 2007,00:46)John 1:1 literally translated reads: “In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and God was the word.”Because LOGOS is a noun (a person, place or thing), let's try something for fun.Let's replace Logos with “candy.”In the beginning was candy, and candy was with God, and God was candy.Now…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ May 30 2007,00:46)Notice that it says “God was the word.” This is the actual word for word translation.Again, because there is no english counter for Logos, we are to assume that “word” is Jesus? So in the quote above you are asserting that “God was Jesus.”? Is this correct? This sounds wrong to my ears for many reasons.…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ May 30 2007,00:46)In John 1:1 it states “. . . kai theos en ho logos”. This is usually translated as “. . . and the Word was God.” The original word order in Greek, however, is “. . . and God was the Word.” If when the predicate nominative precedes the verb and subject in Greek as it is the case here, the predicate nominative…[Read more]

“Kill them all and let God sort it out” – Yes, Shades of the inquisition! Good one, Nick Well, on that happy note , I'm going to head to bed. Goodnight my brothers!

Quote (Tim2 @ May 29 2007,18:33)The family of YHWH is commanded to purge the evil from its midst (Deuteronomy 17:7) by stoning to death anyone who serves other gods.Ouch! OUCH! Ahhhhh! That hurts! OOOOOUCH!Acts 7:60Who was that women that Tim just stoned to death? Oh, she was a believer in the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom God sent.…[Read more]

Still lacking…..  However my example that I have shared before also works:  using my son (Nathan) and his father (Dan) as examples.In the beginning was Nathan, and Nathan was with Dan, and Nathan was Dan.  Nathan was in the beginning with Dan.How was Nathan “with” Dan before he was born?  The same way Jesus was “with” his Father before he was born.

Maybe I would rewrite it like this:He is the unique expression, as a human being, of the Wisdom of God. It was the Wisdom of God which existed from the beginning, and that Wisdom became a person at the conception of Jesus.

Ha…..well, not exactly. I'm just trying to reconcile a preexistent Son with the rest of scripture. The “Word” means something different, it seems, to so many. You think it is a spirit son. David thinks it is an angel. WJ thinks it is part of the Trinity………sigh.

Will do; thanks Tim.

Quote (Tim2 @ May 29 2007,18:09)Now, don't children have the same nature as their parents? How then could the Son be different than the Father?The son of a human father is human, but let's not forget he is a different human from his father. Do Trinitarians want to claim Jesus is a different God from his Father?”Son of God” would mean Jesus has…[Read more]