Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,15:50)Hi Not3, The god of this world had a secure squatters kingdom established here among men with an order of authority down to the demons. Only God could break it down. God needed a vessel for His Spirit to do this work as He does not come to tiny earth. He found a willing servant in heaven, His monogenes Son,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 30 2007,15:29)Micah 5:2″But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”The Father is the Ancient of Days, himself, whose origins are not even measurable. Jesus comes from such a Father.…[Read more]

Amen

In relation to who and what Jesus is, I do believe there is a great deal of propheticness (is that a word? ha).

Quote (t8 @ May 30 2007,14:26)He didn't come to partake of flesh for flesh sake, but to destroy the works of the enemy.Yes, this is precisely the point. Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy. Could he have done that if he was, say, a pre-existent spirit son who was re-incarnated into flesh? My answer is no! Why? Because he would not be…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ May 30 2007,13:31)The Word is the root of everything the Father is the Gardener who planted the seed (Word).Nicely put, Ken.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 30 2007,11:51)Nice try!But none of the versions you mention says “Jesus is not God”.Well, thanks for recognizing that I tried. WJ, even if Jesus himself told you that he wasn't God, but that he was God's Son – you wouldn't believe him. And why should you? The great religious men of Jesus' day didn't…

Quote (t8 @ May 30 2007,10:53)What is this text saying?Good question! It depends on who you ask; you will certainly get all sorts of answers. For you, it means that Christ preexisted and came in the guise of a man. I do not believe this. I do not believe the Messiah was sent into the world simply to don flesh! In my opinion, that would not…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,10:40)Hi not3, I agree that the people of Jesus's day saw him only as a son of Mary.Should we take their natural observations as the whole truth? Those with spiritual eyes including John the Baptist and even demoniacs, saw him as the being he disguised as it distracted men and made them want to kill him, the Son of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,10:23)Good points not 3, So can protos as in Jn 1.29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.But then why say WAS?From the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,10:26)Quote (Not3in1 @ May 30 2007,10:18)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,10:08)He says he IS before Abraham.He is the root of David too.Thanks for the clarification, Nick.How can someone be the “root” and the “offspring” of someone?  Could this possibly relate to my understanding of John 1:1?  I think it c…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,09:28)Quote (Not3in1 @ May 30 2007,07:41)Are you sure?The bible speaks of Jesus coming into being through conception and birth – these are the clear teachings of the NT.  The teachings of preexistence seem to be missing from Peter and Paul's messages.  I have yet to read from the letter's of Paul stories s…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,10:08)He says he IS before Abraham.He is the root of David too.Thanks for the clarification, Nick.How can someone be the “root” and the “offspring” of someone? Could this possibly relate to my understanding of John 1:1? I think it could.Because Jesus was God before he was born (in the same way a son is his father…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,10:01)Quote (Not3in1 @ May 30 2007,09:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 30 2007,08:32)Quote (Not3in1 @ May 30 2007,07:46)Also since no man had seen God at any time and Jesus was also man and had seen God, then the question would be when did he see God?*************************************************************WJ,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,10:00)Hi not3,Scripture says these things about the root of David. What does this mean to you?Says what things – I think I'm really missing something here. Forgive me, sometimes I am REALLY blonde

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 30 2007,08:32)Quote (Not3in1 @ May 30 2007,07:46)Also since no man had seen God at any time and Jesus was also man and had seen God, then the question would be when did he see God?*************************************************************WJ, the verse doesn't say that Jesus saw God, it says “…..he hath declared…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,07:51)Hi Not3, Christ was before John the baptist, David and Abraham. How can this be?How can what be?

Quote (Tim2 @ May 30 2007,08:18)Paul also taught that Jesus is before all things (Colossians 1:17), but you believe He didn't exist until 2000 years ago.  You believe in a different Jesus, a different father, and a different gospel.  Repent.Here we go again with the repent cry….. Do you know for sure in what way Jesus is before all things? A…[Read more]

Also since no man had seen God at any time and Jesus was also man and had seen God, then the question would be when did he see God?*************************************************************WJ, the verse doesn't say that Jesus saw God, it says “…..he hath declared him.” Jesus made God known. Because no one had seen the Father – Jesus made…[Read more]

Are you sure?The bible speaks of Jesus coming into being through conception and birth – these are the clear teachings of the NT. The teachings of preexistence seem to be missing from Peter and Paul's messages. I have yet to read from the letter's of Paul stories surrounding Jesus' life before he joined us. Peter seems to be clueless about this…[Read more]