Now, Nick, don't be like an offspring of a male ass, OK?Heehee…..I'm sorry! I just couldn't resist.

Quote (olive @ June 01 2007,05:06)So even though you do not say that the son is the Father, you say it in a round about way.'In a round a bout way…what a perfect phrase, Olive!The Trinity can be described in round about ways but never in clear ways.Take for example Tim2's recent trials of explaining things with math! Or the old fashion system…[Read more]

I'm staying clear of this one. History has written what a mess the council of Chalcedon made. It attempted to sweep-up after it's older sister, Nicea, but with no luck. Instead, this council added to the mess and created a few of it's own. Such fateful steps we took as Christians during these “creed” making years…… Jesus wouldnt' take a…[Read more]

WJ, thanks for your side of “Theos.” I read everyone's posts, but I confess, when they are too long or too packed full of factoids (greek/latin/spanish) I get frustrated easily and tend to start glossing over important information….. I guess along with the facts, maybe if you could tell a knock-knock joke or something to keep me awake, that…[Read more]

If he was not an ordinary man transformed and empowered by God's Spirit we cannot follow him.******************************************Ya, Nick, I know. That is the problem with my theory and yours.As I was thinking about this before I posted before, I had to admit that yes – Jesus is a man but a “different” man then those he rubbed shoulders…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2007,09:30)Yes the Father is not the Son!OK, exactly what is the incarnation again?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2007,06:33)*Somebody please tell me how God who is infinite in Power, Wisdom, Strength, Love, who fills all things, who is from everlasting to everlasting, who is bigger than the heavens, can have an image that is an exact representation of all he is, apart from himself?Finally, I get to push the “easy”…[Read more]

Radiance = glowing; transmitted by radiation.Radiation = issue rays; spread from a center.Radiance is not the light itself. It comes from a source and that source is God, himself.Having a dictionary can be dangerous sometimes

Quote (t8 @ May 30 2007,10:24)Where is the proof that he had divine nature while in the fleshThe proof was his conception and birth. Any son who is born inherits from his parents their biological “stuff.” What ever it is that makes God – God (his essence or quality of being, for lack of words) Jesus also got some of that mixed in with human…[Read more]

t8,Thanks for clarifying for us regarding WJ's post. Sometimes I think that everyone has their own definition of theos and can look to any book to confirm it. It seems it is used as one wills, sometimes? But thanks for making sense of it all for me, at least.By the way, in the “chat” thread I really enjoyed all your photography! I am a bit of…[Read more]

Adam, my understanding is a little different from yours, I think.God is the root of everything. Jesus came “from” God as his Son (therefore, before Jesus was born, he was part of the “root” by means of God's seed within him). Jesus was then born into this world through Mary and became the “offspring” of David.This is how Jesus can be the root of…[Read more]

Nick, you crack me up! You and t8 have a great sense of humor. In one of t8's posts he said, “And this post was brought to you by the number five.” I laughed all day at that. He must have a small child in the house – or he's a big kid! Ha!

Thanks, WJ. Do you know something? And I mean this sincerely…..you are my favorite Trinitarian!

t8 and Nick, thanks for sharing about NZ – all the pics and videos. I read the entire thread! Now I feel like I know you all better. Is there a religion that is dominant in NZ?

Quote (sscott @ May 30 2007,17:42)I will tell you that I personally have always held to the belief that God looks through the corridor of time and sees a mans future “faith” and elects him to salvation.  This is an interesting topic and I'll be sure to follow it. I'm not sure how I feel on this. I'm not really sure what it all means? But I…[Read more]

Jn 20:28And Thomas answered and *said unto him*, My Lord and my “Father”. ***********************That doesn't quite work, does it? Jesus is not the Father – even by Trinitarian standards.

But the scriptures don't promise “greater” glory – just the same glory he had – right?

The “YouTube” was funny/sad/scary/pathetic all in one I do believe in prophesies; I do believe that God speaks to his children for the benefit of others. I've had two prophetic words over my life (so far) and both of them are correct.

t8, thank you for sharing all of this.David, this has been my confusion with the JW's from the beginning….the 1914 thing. I just don't understand it.

Quote (t8 @ May 30 2007,15:56)I also believe that he returned to the same glory he had before with God.Jesus went to the cross with the encouragement that glory would be his in the future. He was scared; he prayed and begged that the Father would find another way…… Who would do these things if they knew they were going right back up to be…[Read more]