Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 07 2007,16:52)Trinitarians here are believed to be part of the “Great Whore”, of which I think recently you have participated in conversation about. Am I wrong?The only participation I have had with the whole “Come out of her!” thing is to tell Olive that it was a poplular phrase to quote here by some – certainly not…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 07 2007,10:35)Quote (Tim2 @ June 08 2007,00:18)Student,You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  I…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 07 2007,12:16)How do you expect to influence anyone to your truth by this kind of fruitless example?You look down your nose at others because they dont accept your teaching of “Functionality”, which in my opinion is not “functional” at all.Again, SPARE ME!What do you think you and Tim (Tim, especially) do to US when…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 07 2007,12:16)This is such a sad witness to “true biblical Christianity”.I'm afraid this doesn't even come close to the thread where Tim and YOU call the rest of us (that don't share your truth), “wicked – pagen – heretics.”Now that is a great testimony of true Christianity!The word “hypocrisy” comes to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 07 2007,12:00)Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18)Student,You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never co…[Read more]

Quote (david @ June 07 2007,09:29)Unfortunately, JW's were guitly of the same thing these early Christians were.But they were right about 1914 being the end of the gentile times. I would like to discuss this subject much more and actually explain what I believe, but today is not a good day for me.David, I would very much like to hear more about…[Read more]

You got it, brother Thanks for the extended chat on this topic.It dawned on me today during bible study that you and I are the only ones engaging in this discussion. I've received a few private messages but no one is posting? I wonder why? Oh, well. Thanks again!

Good points, Nick, thank you

I guess this was an old poll. But it's still fun to vote

I guess this was an old poll. But it's still fun to vote

Quote (MrBob @ Mar. 21 2006,03:08)I beleive making member groups by denominations would cause further separation. For example, if someone was reading a post, that person could just look at the poster's denomination and close his mind to everything the post would have to say.So I vote No.I voted yes for the opposite reason (go figure – ha).For…[Read more]

Quote (MrBob @ Mar. 21 2006,03:08)I beleive making member groups by denominations would cause further separation. For example, if someone was reading a post, that person could just look at the poster's denomination and close his mind to everything the post would have to say.So I vote No.I voted yes for the opposite reason (go figure – ha).For…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2007,08:47)Hi, Building on sand with one verse enlarged by logic and inference is the way of the JWs and explains the bizarre conclusions they come to.Actually, what you say is true of all of us here! Isn't that what we all do? “…..one verse enlarged by logic and inference….” We all have so many different views.…[Read more]

Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18)Student,You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and eld…[Read more]

Martian, I have been enjoying this thread very much; and I agree with a lot of what you say. I also believe that iron sharpens iron, and you and Tim are doing just that. Even if you don't believe Tim is a worthy opponent, you have had the opportunity to share your view (and we all learn by sharing what we know). So in this way, I trust you will…[Read more]

Well, I feel the door gently shutting on me and this topic, and perhaps it is a good idea. I sense that you and I will not come to some understanding of our preexistent beliefs and that is OK.My basic belief system does not require that Jesus be taken out of the realm of what is expected or plainly taught (whether in scripture or by nature). I…[Read more]

You need to read my post in context because I feel like I am repeating myself here, but I didn't say that the angels weren't considered sons – they are! They are sons of God – we agree, Nick. We agree.However, the point I'm trying to make is that these sons of God were not begotten or born; Jesus was both of these.

I don't think so.God does not confuse his children on purpose.The only difference between men begetting sons and God begetting a Son is that there wasn't any sex involved – instead – God is the source of Jesus and provided what was needed. Everything else remains the same, if in fact Jesus is a true Son. We were not given any details that things…[Read more]

I said Jesus wasn't created.

I didn't say that they (angels) were not considered “sons,” in fact they are – they are “created,” however. It is no big challenge to prove that Jesus wasn't “created” but rather conceived, and born and therefore the only begotten Son. You can find that information in the gospels.