Sorry, the OP? What is that?

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 19 2007,21:46)You may be right Charity. But I add the following as food for thought.More that just a technology, the Internet is a massive network of people using computers to communicate with each other. Time Magazine calls it “The Beast With A Billion Eyes”. “On the Web, anyone with a digital camera has the power to change…[Read more]

Quote (lamontre @ June 10 2007,17:59)Judas was predestined to be “the son of perdition”. It was prophesied in scripture, and if you read the prophecy in the Psalms, you will be shocked at what happened to this man as a result of his choice. Yet, because of what the scriptures say about him, he could not have chosen otherwise.I hear what you're…[Read more]

LM, Who are you quoting?

Quick question: why are the “New Posts” moving quicker than usual? It seems that a topic does not stay as long as it used to? I just posted something a few hours ago and it's moved from “New Posts” already? I wonder why?

I'm razzing Tim2 because he doesn't like to think of God as a “true” Father in the sense that he “contributed” what was needed (sperm) to conceive his own son. Just some clarification there. I'm not trying to be mean spirited – just teasing. It's typically not in my character to be so sarcastic – I guess I've picked it up here, where sarcastic…[Read more]

Hi LM and welcome!If not men, then what do you think they are? I've never really pondered this to be honest.Glad you're here

Quote (chosenone @ June 03 2007,17:09)The Son is God in a relative sense only.Relative = person connected with another by blood or marriage.It is difficult for intellectual minds to grasp that Jesus is indeed the only literal Son of God; that is, he is connected to God because he is formed by God's imperishable seed.Warning Tim2 – the below is…[Read more]

Anyone – anyone?

Jesus was born a man and lived on earth. Position alone would dictate that he is (for a time – until God exhaulted him), less than heavenly beings. To me this does not suggest in the least that he was at one point in time above or equal to the angels?No heavenly status – none needed – Jesus has an all-exclusive back stage pass that reads: Only…[Read more]

JW's do believe in an incarnation (of sorts). They believe that Michael became Jesus. This makes Jesus not a true conception or literal Son of God. Why? You will have to do a study on conception to find that answer.

Hi David, the reason you lost me was because the point you didn't understand was a simple one (easily missed by intellectual minds)……God is a Father. Before a father is a father, he holds within him the potential for his offspring (sperm). In this way, Jesus was God untl he was born and became his own person.Nathan is our literal son.

Quote (david @ June 09 2007,13:36)Quote I do not believe that Jesus preexisted, and so I am not welcome in the JW club either.  Like I've said before, I'm a bit of a spiritual-misfit.  Which suits me, really.So, you believe Jesus didn't exist until he was born on earth?  May I ask why you believe this?Sure, you can ask me anything David; ho…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 09 2007,13:01)The doctrine makes sense of a lot of scripture.It also seriously confuses others. I would say that the doctrine of the Trinity has solved what seems to be conflicts in scripture, or loose ends (for lack of better words). But there are certainly other ways that also make sense of a lot of scripture. That is…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 09 2007,13:01)I don't doubt Not3's salvation either, given that I subscribe to the OSAS view. I strongly believe that the trinity doctrine best accounts for all the biblical data on the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The doctrine makes sense of a lot of scripture.OSAS – that took me a minute to get Well, there is a thread…[Read more]

Jesus was also slain “before the foundations of the world”….but we know that he was crucified during his lifetime. Figure of speach? Other? Ponder, ponder….

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 09 2007,11:01)For instance historical records show us that none believed Yeshua was an incarnation of the archangel Michael.I have also found this to be true. As I have studied their doctrine (and loving to read church history from various writers/religions), I have not been able to locate this belief of Michael the…[Read more]

Here is something that I've pondered before……….I do believe in a predestination, of sorts, the Bible does speak of this. God used Pharaoh. It was his good purpose that made Pharaoh's heart cold. Does this mean that God will not save Pharaoh in the end? Has anyone dared to wonder if it was God's purpose to use such a terrible man as…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 09 2007,10:50)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 09 2007,10:05)Martian, no it was not.  But my point was that people can make a change, and you never what tool will work for someone.May I offer that I have received a few private emails from people who do not post (they lurk and read), and they possibly may change their opinions by the…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 09 2007,10:54)Quote (t8 @ June 09 2007,00:49)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 09 2007,09:10)Sorry, Tim2.  Just a little tit-for-tat coming at 'cha.OK, I'll let it go now.  Ha!Lets face it does Tim2 believe that Jesus came in the flesh, or does he believe that God came in the flesh?Well let's see if we can put 2 and 2 together….1. L…[Read more]