Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2007,21:01)Hebrews 12:23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfectJesus was the firstborn from the dead.We follow.We are his church – the body of Christ.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2007,21:01)We should not limit our thinking to the visible physical world as God and others preceded that development.We should not go beyond what is written either.

Quote (acertainchap @ June 20 2007,03:27)Hey man I'd say go to hurch and if the church that you are going to isn't teaching the right scriptures, denying scriptures, or turning into a social club, then it seems that you may have but one choice: Join a truly Godly Church or try to convert the people from the “social club” church to the reality of…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 19 2007,20:02)No one can come to God except through Christ and it is through Christ that everything came into being. I can't give you the technical details because I wasn't there, but God made all things through Christ and for Christ.Hi t8,Yes, it's true that God created everything through Christ. I believe this. But as you say,…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2007,04:24)t8 > what you quoted is right but here's the problem. All greek writing originaly were translated using captial letters and the refference of the word christ is especually difficult. If we Captlize the word Christ we mean Jesus the person but if we don't we mean the anointing or holy spirit.there is a…[Read more]

Goodnight, Nick. It's late here and I better get to bed. Good to chat with you.

Yes, if it seems prophetic (in the future) then it seems logical that the Son did not exist physically before he was born. He was not begotten before he was begotten.

Gotcha!

“…may have happened.” ?Well, most of what is written in the Psalms is prophetic.  Even parts of the Psalm you are referring to are prophetic.  So, I'm only going by what seems logical.However, I am open to seeing this truth if it can be clearly taught in scripture without the deducing and deducting like the Trinity teachings.

CO,What scriptures are for us, then? What teachings are we supposed to recognize as being for th Jews only?

Hasn't God bound us all over so that he can have mercy on us ALL? I know the Jews were “set aside” for our benefit. Surely they will be saved along with us? It is because of their disbelief that we are grafted in? Right?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2007,16:09)Hi not3, God does not share his glory with anyone.ps 2″ 7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. “Nick, I'm uncertain as to the point you are making?I agree with what you have written.Ps 2 is prophetic. If you don't believe it is prophetic, what…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 19 2007,16:33)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 19 2007,15:53)The verse makes sense to me.And it makes sense because I believe Jesus did exist in God's plan.  It was through this plan that God created everything.So was Jesus always part of God's plan or was he a backup for Adam who stuffed up.What would have happened if Adam didn't sin?…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 19 2007,15:37)Jude 1:25to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.If Jesus isn't before all ages, now and forevermore, then the above verse doesn't make sense.The universe came into being through him. Surely that was before all ages.…[Read more]

Yes it does mean Son of God and Mary. Son of God and Son of Man.

Some would say that because Jesus is divine, he is not made like us and we have no hope of following him.But we can share in the divine nature! It's a glorious plan.

Quote (t8 @ June 19 2007,15:29)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 19 2007,15:23)Well, t8, that sounds lovely.  I'm not so sure I understand it.  But that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense!    Like I've said before, sometimes my hairdresser uses a little too much blonde when she colors my hair.Origen says that there are people who deny that Jesus is a div…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 19 2007,15:20)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 19 2007,15:17)Just to clarify:I do not believe that Jesus is “just” a man!Jesus is the Son of God.Just because I do not believe that Jesus preexisted does not mean that I think him a mere man.Good. I think this is the belief of Unitarians though.Jesus has divine nature and he also partook of…[Read more]

Well, t8, that sounds lovely. I'm not so sure I understand it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense! Like I've said before, sometimes my hairdresser uses a little too much blonde when she colors my hair.

Just to clarify:I do not believe that Jesus is “just” a man!Jesus is the Son of God.Just because I do not believe that Jesus preexisted does not mean that I think him a mere man.