Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 22 2007,19:45)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 22 2007,16:47)It has been stated that the grammar of Titus 2:13 forces the interpretation that Jesus is God because of the Granville Sharp Rule of grammar.  That is not the case, however.  The point is that when scripture refers to “our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,” it can mean two b…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 22 2007,19:30)But blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed…..Amen!I know this passage was supposed to be used against believers like myself, however, I tend to think that it applies to all of us.

The following versions call Jesus God in Titus 2:13RV, RSV, NEB, Goodspeed, TEV, NIV, MLB, NASBThe following versions to not call Jesus God (mg=margin)KJV, RVmg, RSVmg, NEBmg, Moffatt, NWTApparently it is of some debate.It has been stated that the grammar of Titus 2:13 forces the interpretation that Jesus is God because of the Granville Sharp Rule…[Read more]

Quote (david @ June 22 2007,12:57)1934  “of the great God and of our     The Riverside New       Savior Christ Jesus”            Testament,Boston and                                       New York.1935  “of the great God and of our     A New Translation of the       Saviour Christ Jesus”           Bible, by James Moffatt, New                    …[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 22 2007,04:14)Isa 46:9Remember the former things of old: for *I am God, and there is none else*; I am God, and *there is none like me*, How can this be t8, seeing Jesus is the “exact representation of his substance” and the “Express Image of the invisible God”?I know this question is to t8, but if I might add my less…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ June 22 2007,00:24)t8Quote As far as usage for theos goes, it is in most cases used to describe the Father exclusively. After that it is probably used to decribe false gods or idols, followed by Christ, then men.Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God(Theos).So tell us t8. Is Jesus a true God or a…[Read more]

Hi Isaiah,Thanks for checking in. I've sort of dropped the ball on this thread but I really want to pick it up again. Mainly because I want to see if there is “shift” in thinking, as you say. It's like I've told WJ, I argue what I think I know……if I am shown different or to be wrong, well then I've learned something. Ultimately, that is…[Read more]

Quote (heaven @ June 21 2007,16:02)Hi Not3in1.Is this a debate between Isaiah and yourself?If so, what are the rules?Can anyone reply thereafter or just you two?Heaven, I was thinking about this today.I believe I put this thread in the wrong area. It is not a debate. Rather something of a challenge, I guess? Isaiah says there was a “shift” in…[Read more]

You got it, Chap! I'll add your family to my list.God hears our prayers and he knows our hearts.God bless you as you “live out loud” the gospel in front of your family.

Hi Chap,Thanks for the sincere warning, but in all honesty, I meant that I would pass this on to friends as a light-hearted thing (like a joke). Of course no one knows the time or date that Jesus will return. But this July 7, 07 thing is interesting!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,17:36)Ah, I see.I do respect you, brother.The thing that I most enjoy about this board is that by arguing your point/view – you may find out that you are incorrect or missing a valid truth. I agrue with you because I believe I have truth. By arguing with you, I just might see that I am…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 19 2007,08:47)Aparently you dont believe them for you dont accept them for what they say, but rather you approach the scriptures with a “Unitarian” view and say to yourself that these scriptures cannot mean what they say.I see that you have done a lot of work to bring many scriptures to my attention. I would like…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 19 2007,08:47)The problem that you have is Thomas didnt say… “MY LORD AND MY FATHER”, did he? Listen again…Jn 20:28 And Thomas answered and *said unto him*, My Lord and my God.This passage seems to be so distressing to the Unitarians and Henotheist and Arians.If I was one I would be stressed to.Snor….This is…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ June 20 2007,10:45)Is it in the least bit possible that the rapture has a stronger chance of occuring on July 7, 2007? (777) then on any other date?Chap,While I doubt that God is influenced by our calendar, your observation is very cool!! I'm going to share this with others.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,17:14)Begettal is also not necessarily physical.Say what, bro?To produce offspring – you have to get physical, I'm sorry!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,12:55)Hi W, If God created alone and did so through the Word guess Who supplied the power and ability.The answer: The Source of Jesus – God the Father.Good point, Nick. Amen!

Quote (t8 @ June 20 2007,16:30)Q: If God created all things through Christ, then guess who created all things?A: God.Ephesians 2:10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.2 Corinthians 5:18All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2007,10:23)Jesus on the other hand took credit or claimed that he had the power for works that he did.No, I'm sorry WJ – you are wrong. Jesus said that he could not of himself do anything but that it was the Father that enabled him to do what he did. Jesus gave all glory to the Father, it's a shame you do not…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,06:58)Hi not3, I agree some may relate to being firstborn from the dead.But begotten is not born.Beget = produce offspring as a father.Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction.?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2007,21:01)Colossians 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:Jesus is the firstborn from the dead.We will follow him (we are “every creature”)This interpretation is consistent with scripture as far as I know. However, please show me where being “firstborn” means that “Jesus” was…[Read more]