Quote (david @ June 24 2007,21:09)Quote I hate to keep sounding like a broken record here – but what happened to the true conception and birth that Jesus is said to have had in the gospels?  What about THAT Jesus?–Not3in1.What about that Jesus?  He did exist in heaven.  I know you have some ideas about this not being the case, based on an an…[Read more]

Quote (david @ June 24 2007,21:34)Quote As a matter of fact, two JW's came to my door this morning and gave me the literature on the, “Follow the Christ” conventions that will be going on. What country are you from and when will this convention take place in your neck of the world?I'm in WA State and it looks like it will happen June 29 – July…

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2007,20:31)Hi Not3, You say'To be honest, there are many things that I admire about the JW's – I really do.  But the “who” and the “what” is Jesus keeps me from joining them. ' Why would you even consider cutting yourself off from Christ by following men like Mr Russell?I admire the JW's because of their community. I…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2007,07:18)Hi not3, You say”To deny this idea of true conception in any way, is to deny that Jesus was truly conceived.” No. What God calls conception is conception. God is not limited by the narrow and finite understandings of men.God gives us language so that we can understand him and the world around us.We cannot…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ June 25 2007,01:31)If you don't have the author of the book then you will never understand the Word, God wrote it that way. The bible is unlike any book in the world or heaven for that matter, you can't study it like a college text. Just as you can't tell as much when reading this then if we were face to face. You are a child of…[Read more]

94 – thank you for contributing to this thread! Please continue to share your view and I hope others will join in.Nick has been very patient in discussing this topic with me many times (thank you, Nick)! But he has a view that is quite unique, in my opinion. I can see where he gets his view, I've just never heard it before in my travels and…[Read more]

1. Jesus preexisted as a son and was placed in the womb of Mary.2. Jesus preexisted as an angel and incarnated into the womb of Mary.3. Jesus preexisted as God himself and incarnated into the womb of Mary as the second person of God.What do all 3 of these “Jesus'” have in common?NONE of them went through a true conception as the gospels teach.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 24 2007,17:11)Trinitarians affirm that the Father and Son are different persons, and accept that the Son has a lower position than the Father, but they dispute that He has a lower nature/essence/substance.Yes, and Trinitarians deny the true conception spoken of in the gospels as well…..Of course Jesus will have a “lower…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ June 24 2007,12:29)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 24 2007,12:08)Well, church folks wouldn't be a problem for me because I don't attend a church.  I haven't found one yet that doesn't preach the Trinity.  How about you, Charity?  Have you found a church that you like?  Any advice in that direction?I am suffering the same dilemma, but I hav…[Read more]

Well, church folks wouldn't be a problem for me because I don't attend a church. I haven't found one yet that doesn't preach the Trinity. How about you, Charity? Have you found a church that you like? Any advice in that direction?

Quote (kenrch @ June 24 2007,10:21)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 24 2007,08:11)OK, this is a strange subject to bring up here (among all th scholary things we discuss) But…..what do you all think about tattoos?  I know the bible talks about them and says not to do it, but is the modern-day tattoo what they are really talking about?  I know Christians w…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ June 24 2007,11:48)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 24 2007,08:11)OK, this is a strange subject to bring up here (among all th scholary things we discuss) But…..what do you all think about tattoos?  I know the bible talks about them and says not to do it, but is the modern-day tattoo what they are really talking about?  I know Christians w…[Read more]

I just got done reading some of the literature that the ladies dropped off this morning.  One paper is entitled, “The Bible's Viewpoint – Who is Michael the Archangel?” and I'd like to quote something from it:”While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links…[Read more]

OK, this is a strange subject to bring up here (among all th scholary things we discuss) But…..what do you all think about tattoos? I know the bible talks about them and says not to do it, but is the modern-day tattoo what they are really talking about? I know Christians who have them AND plan to get them. I'm just curious what others think?…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2007,08:42)“Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?The Watchtower article from which these questions are taken (WT June 1/85, p. 30), then goes on to state, “Having answered yes to these questions, candidates…[Read more]

Not using the “I am” passage because that is NOT specific (definite or exact).

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 23 2007,03:40)again show me a definite place where Jesus said Spicificly he is GOD.Isaiah, this would be a better challenge from our brother (or sister?) Gene.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 23 2007,11:04)Alright Not3,You show me a verse in the NT that explicitly says Jesus is not God…..(remember it has to be explicit)Hmmmmmm……You called me, huh? I like you, Isaiah! Well, I suppose your point is that there must be a tad bit of deduction to come to any belief. Such as, I will deduct that if God is not a…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 23 2007,10:59)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 23 2007,10:46)Isaiah, there are problems with the GSR.  It is impossible to prove that it was a rule of grammar at the time of the apostle Paul.Nigel Turner, a Trinitarians writes:”Unfortunately, at this period of Greek we cannot be sure that such a rule is really decisive.  Sometimes the d…[Read more]

What Trinitarians are asked to prove is this:  does the NT say that Jesus is God as explicitly as it says he is not?You can't deny “God is One.”  However you can deduce and deduct to make that mean whatever you want it to; as we have seen here.But it's quite another task to make Jesus God when scripture does not explicitly say that he i…[Read more]