Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,03:45)It si written without question.But you refuse to believe it!This is the difference between you and me, WJ.I share my opinions, but do not force others to believe it, making bold statements about my theories like you make in the above quote.Others are free to take what I say or not. If they chose not…[Read more]

Yes, what you say is absolutely true! However, you had said that God implanted the Word as an embryo in Mary! Meaning, that the cell division had already taken place. The reason I want clarification, is because if you believe that cell division happened during conception…..you must see how that affects your already preexistent spirit son…

WJ, quoting scripture is fine. But quoting the same scriptures over and over again (using different fonts, script, underlining) does not make them say what YOU SAY they are saying, I'm sorry!

No problems Tim, I'm following you.

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,05:25)I guess that my inability to follow your logic stems from the fact that it is that it is stessed over 200 times in the new testament that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus himself stresses this fact.Yet man has latched on to one or two questionable verses that can be understood in different ways,and has concluded…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,04:04)2) the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.This is interesting.Would this definition apply…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,03:45)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:24)“Jesus Christ our God” – it should sound foreign to your ears (it does mine) because it is not written ANYWHERE absolutely without question!Scary!  Talk about deception; brother, you're in the thick of it!  I hope Ignatius can save you?Not3It si written without q…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2006,13:57)Hi Malcolm, The Word, a rational being of high and divine nature, is conceived\implanted as an embryo and goes through all the normal development stages to becoming a man. It seems to show that the influence of our earthy body overwhelms all other influences, it seems to be the dominant force in human…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2006,09:53)Hi Malcolm, But the body comes from a conceptus derived from the union of seeds from two parents and is only fed in the womb by the blood of the mother.This quote was in response to Malcolm who had said Jesus' body came from the dust of the earth.Nick, you are here describing a natural conception for Jesus.…[Read more]

Iggy said that some believed the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be the SAME PERSON and they would be wrong! Then you go on to say that it is OK to use “Name” in the singular………..well, are they three persons or one? Do they not each have their own name?

“Jesus Christ our God” – it should sound foreign to your ears (it does mine) because it is not written ANYWHERE absolutely without question!Scary!  Talk about deception; brother, you're in the thick of it!  I hope Ignatius can save you?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2007,15:58)Hi Not3, He was quoting scripture.He felt alone and separate from his Father burdened by the sins of the World.But, despite his pain and his feelings of lonliness and grief, God was still in him reconciling that world to Himself.When Jesus became sin for the whole world…..I don't think God could look on…[Read more]

I confess that if something offends my ablility to reason and use logic, at first I toss it out. After all, God said to Abraham, “….come let us reason together…..” So I figure that God gave us our brains so that we would use them.I also understand that man's wisdom is foolishness to God, and without faith it is impossible to please God.I do…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2007,15:29)God's Spirit never left Christ even when he died and his own spirit did.Why did Jesus call out that God had forsaken him?

Actually, just FYI, I own the “Should you believe the Trinity” pamphlet that is on the screen-thing, and it is a TRINITARIAN brochure. Funny!

Wow! WJ – Looks like you have found an “Anti-Trinitarian” VEGAS site – kinda cool.

Although it should be noted that Joseph didn't get credit for “begetting” Jesus because that credit belongs to God (his biological Father).

Ha………..Nick, we are to assume that these men who did the “begetting” had a wife! All these men spoken of in Matthew had a wife!

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 27 2007,10:10)indicates the “Divine” essence of Godhood, the personality of God; theiotes, the attributes of God, His “Divine” nature and properties.Theotes has a very special significance, nowhere in scripture is it used in relation to other men – only Yeshua.I believe that Jesus is divine; that is, he has the personality,…[Read more]

Why would we want to determine WHEN Jesus was begotten when we can't even settle between us what “begotten” means!Begotten = conception? Of course Nick says no. Then what is the difference between the two? One God can do by himself while the other requires a women?This thread seems to be so closely related to “conception” and “preexistence”…[Read more]