Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,20:10)Hi not3, BU doctrine strenuously works to hold that Jesus always was just a man and does all sorts of scriptural calisthenics to hold that position.Then I guess you catagorize me incorrectly.I have never said Jesus was merely a man.  In fact, you have accused me of going back to my Trinitarian roots for…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,20:06)Hi not3, Only women and midwives bring babies into the world. God is neither.You have said this to me before. I think it is a ridiculous statement, Nick. I understand that you are trying to bring the message home that “bringing into the world” is the act of birthing – but, of course, that is not what we…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,05:18)Not 3,You love the Devil. The master of deception. Then you can also love sun-day and pre-marital sex if it makes you feel good! I used to love pre-marital sex, I thought it was an expression of the love I had for my boyfriend. When I quit having unmarried sex, he dumped me after five years!I do not judge, His…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,06:13)Not 3,I represent my master Messiah Y'shua, you will never make me believe that it is ok to encourage anyone to do anything against Him.Being politically correct is not acceptable doctrine. It is my duty to point those in the dark toward the light.“Your duty”? Oh, sister………….We already have a Saviour!…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,06:08)Washing feet has absolutely nothing to do with forgiveness of sin. Why do you keep saying that?Washing feet is to humble us to serve one another as He served us.I see something in scripture that you do not, and this is OK.  You have your opinion and I have mine.Scripture is spiritually discerned.  Quite p…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,05:53)Just because Catholics wash their feet, they still pray to a priest (a human) for forgiveness. They still worship on another day. They are so messed up, I would NEVER do anything that a Catholic told me to do!!!Since you admire this thing Catholics do then you are a Catholic.Orthodox Jews celebrate the Feasts,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,20:12)Hi not3, Why have all others ignored the command?Perhaps they saw the symbolism?As for me, I believe Jesus was, once again, showing us his humility. By putting others above himself, he was a crowning example of how to treat our brothers. I don't believe it had a lot to do with dirty, smelly feet. The…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,08:18)Hi not3, You have already stated you do not agree with Phil 2 but I gently suggest it is because of preconceived ideology. heb 1 also speaks first of his begettal and then him coming into the world.”  5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,19:22)rituallyThat actually sounds pretty neat to me.I bet it would be a cool experience to wash other's feet in the manner that Christ washed his disciples feet.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,19:24)Hi not3, So God prepared a body for His Son.So we need to read with BU glasses?I'm not sure where you would pick up a pair of “BU glasses”? Let me know if you find out…..I have one of the BU books on my shelf, and I have read their website maybe a half a dozen times. Does that make me a “BU”?Brother, you…[Read more]

I love Christmas and Easter! I love birthdays and anniversaries! I love milestones and the turning of seasons!One person considers one day more holy than the next………do everything unto the LORD!One person can only eat veggies while another person can eat meat……..everything the LORD has made is clean!If you love the law – keep it (if you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,19:08)Hi L, So where is the washing of the feet ritual practiced frequently in response to this command?Catholics do it once a year.Catholics only wash their feet once a year?

Nick,The Father is in heaven, so anything coming FROM THERE can be spoken of as such. God sent his holy Spirit to Mary and Mary conceived.What do you think was “sent” to Mary so that she could conceive? What was needed so that she could conceive? Did she need a preexistent son incarnated inside of her to conceive? No! Was a preexistent son…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,07:52)Quote (Not3in1 @ July 15 2007,06:04)If special, then how so?Hi not3, Special because of his origins as the glorious monogenes Son.But these things were not truly relevant while he was here as he was emptied and made like to us and as powerless and weak as we are so we can follow him. Unless he was weak the…[Read more]

So your answer is that Jesus does not need to be adopted (like we do) because his sonship precedes his conception?You gave 1 John ch.4 as your passage for alignment with the idea that Jesus preceded his sonship with God. I wonder, do you think that just because it reads “God sent..” that that means he was already alive to “send”?

Please answer my questions and I'll answer yours.

Quote (IM4Truth @ July 15 2007,07:13)Gene and Not3in1    There is a very good article about the trinity that Heaven Net puts out, but it is on Google Web. “I typed in “on trinity doctrine” then several topic's come up.  All written by Heaven Net.  I thought that is interesting.thank you for giving all those Books to read.  Are they in the Publ…[Read more]

Sure!Sounds like fun to me. I probably won't have much to add because I don't know much about this topic. But I certainly would love to hear what others know about it.It also may draw newcomer's who have an interest in this type of thing. I know there is a forum already for Science, but this sounds like it deserves it's own forum to me. …

If special, then how so?

Is there a difference between Adam and Jesus' relationship to God?I think so.Adam will be adopted (along with us).Jesus already belongs.What do you think this means? What does it imply?