You're toying with me now, aren't you?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,17:07)Hi not3, Scripture…. please.Luke 1:23,24″……he returned home. After this his wife Elizabeth became pregnant…..”Luke 1:57″Now the time had come for Elizabeth to give birth, and she bore a son.”

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,17:04)Hi not3, Faith says so. How strong is your faith?What do you mean?

To be given the Spirit without measure, to me, is much different than being inspired.Again, we (you and me) are sons of God, this is true, but we are adopted sons – Jesus is not adopted. Therefore, there is a difference between us and Jesus. What is this difference?

Jesus did find himself appointed to die.Except…….he had a choice!That choice is what makes his giving up his life a SACRIFICE.

WJ,I didn't mean for the book (NWT), I meant for your brother in Christ (David). Your last sentence is what I was referring to, not necessarily the context of what you were saying – we are all entitled, it seems, to our opinions.

Laurel,Thank you for your apology and for posting in such a way that draws me to the information that you have. There are a lot of Mandy's out there (that's me, by the way ) that have been raised in the church, but are largely unaware of the pagen influences on the church. I only recently became aware that the Trinity wasn't true back in 2003.I…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,15:33)Hi not3, So where is any other person in scripture shown bringing men into the world?Bring = cause to come, produceBecause God chose a virgin/conception/birth as his mode of “bringing” his SON into the world – we are left to assume that words have meaning, and that natural actions are not replaced with…[Read more]

Which article do you disagree with, Nick?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,15:44)Hi not3, Risking everything including his own life on the basis of faith in a promise.For your Jesus there was no risk.Remember……he agreed to come.  I'm sure that during the meeting where he agreed to come – victory was assured.  He knew he would be *returning* to the glory *which he had* right?God s…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,15:34)Hi not3, OK. He was always just a man but from the Jordan he was an inspired man.Inspired?  That's all?  Inspired = influence by example, bring about, stir to actionAn inspired man is not much, I'm afraid.  In fact, I would say that YOU are an “inspired man.”  That is not to say I believe you to be ins…[Read more]

Nick, you have said that in Acts the boys were speaking of a mere man (with no advantages over us), but here you say Jesus was “just a man” UNTIL the Jordan. Was he not “just a man” after the Jordan? If not, what kind of advantages did Jesus have over us?

For a true evaluation of Biblical Unitarianism, imo, read: LETTERS Addressed to Relatives and Friends, Chiefly in reply to arguments in support of the doctrine of the Trinity By Mary S.B. Dana (Boston: 1845)*Reprinted by CES and can be found at: http://www.truthortradition.com BookstoreBest $20 I've spent in a long while.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,08:38)Hi Not3, You are not being labelled.You are precious. Your words are fair game though as our deep beliefs need challenging.Thanks, Nick.”Fair game” – yes, we do put ourselves out here on the line with every post, don't we? It's a good thing, though. We do need to look at our beliefs and see which ones need…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 16 2007,08:38)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,20:10)Hi not3, BU doctrine strenuously works to hold that Jesus always was just a man and does all sorts of scriptural calisthenics to hold that position.I must admit that I'm confused by this statement made to Not3. Are you not the same Nick who has been bantering back and forth…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,09:00)Hi not3, So if I marry and have childrenI am bringing sons and daughters into the world??What else would you call it?Procreate = produce offspringProduce = present to view, give birth

What a great topic!I have often thought, as I am conversing with Nick/t8 about preexistence – what was the sacrifice of a spirit-son who had been with the Father already, and who had known glory but decided to “empty” himself and become a commoner (for a period of time), and then go back up to his former glory? Sacrifice? HmmmmmmIMO – Jesus gave…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,07:07)Are you oblivious to the truth?As a matter of fact, I am “oblivious” to the truth you are sharing. I have never heard that celebrating holidays such as Easter and Christmas were wrong OR what their pagen relationships were.However, because of your behavior and lack of love for your brothers and sisters, I cannot…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,07:07)He diciplines whom He loves. Have you ever been diciplined by your Dad when you were a kid? Did you ever have a spanking, put in the corner for a time out? Did it hurt?Better to know the truth now, then to be kept out of heaven later.If it hurts, then it probably needs to hurt.Hey Laurel, do you know Tim2?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2007,07:15)Quote (david @ July 14 2007,13:32)WJ, There is a thread somewhere on the NWT, if you like.  If I remember correctly, you began attacking the NWT when you couldn't deal with other stuff I was saying.  Please feel free to attack in the appropriate thread.DavidI will respond to your huge post later.But I w…[Read more]