Surely a son by birth is more important than all the other sons? Scripture seems to set Jesus a part from all other “sons.”Angels will worship him.We will bow down to him.He belongs to the family.We will be adopted.

A son by birth. Ah, yes…..this is the truth of God!Jesus is the ONLY SON of God by birth.Jesus is the ONLY SON who does not need to be adopted, because he already belongs.Tell me something more, can Jesus be a son of God if he is part human?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2007,09:18)Hi W, You say”Of course I fully expect for you to say “the Son of God”!But so are we! ” Not so W. You are not The Son of God. You may have become and adopted son by rebirth into him but you are not him and never will be.You would then just be a branch in the vine that may yet be pruned off if not found use…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,19:26)Quote (Not3in1 @ July 20 2007,19:10)I'm sure you're a great Dad, Isaiah!Huh? He's probably a scary dad, what with that scarf over his face, headband, wild grayish white hair, big loop earring and single manacle!   Just a play on the avatar!Yes, I would wager that IS would be a good dad as well. He is very…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,19:18)N3,Yes they understood that part but you were starting to get into the biological aspects. You know sperm and egg and all that stuff . But that was the part that I was talking about. Nick is determined to prove, at least in his own mind, that Mary was the only important parent as far as Yeshua's humanity was…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 20 2007,19:02)Quote (Not3in1 @ July 20 2007,17:40)Thanks, Isaiah.  That will be about 1:30 a.m. my time – so this kid will be to bed too!    But I will check back tomorrow for your answer.How old are your kids?  We have two (ages 9.5 and 8).  These are some of the best days of our lives, huh?  When we're old, these are the d…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,18:31)Folks,You have to realize that the Bible was written by the inspiration of men in terms and concepts they knew. People in the 1st century and before knew none of the details of the biology of conception. Why would you therefore expect that this aspect of the conception be mentioned at all? So now people will end…[Read more]

What do other's think?If Jesus was a preexisting son prior to his conception inside of Mary – would his being change after the conception process?Or would it be like the incarnation where deity grew alongside of humanity and did not fuse as in a normal conception?In reviewing the thread and other's with like-topics, I've noted that most do not…[Read more]

Thanks, Isaiah. That will be about 1:30 a.m. my time – so this kid will be to bed too! But I will check back tomorrow for your answer.How old are your kids? We have two (ages 9.5 and 8). These are some of the best days of our lives, huh? When we're old, these are the days we'll look back on as the “Good Old Days” I'm convinced.

Wow. Thanks, 94.This is all new to me. I mean, I've heard about this while growing up in church, but I've never studied it at any length. I confess that in many ways, since I denounced the Trinity, I am coming to life and beginning to actually study the Word. Whereas before, I was “fed” twice on Sundays and once on Wednesday nights. In many…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 20 2007,16:19)Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,00:14)Ditto. Did you think Jesus Christ was different from just Christ above?Obviously not. What a silly question that was. The designation “Jesus Christ”  just makes it plainer still that Yeshua's personal Spirit really is IN us. In fact if anyone does not have the Spirit of…[Read more]

Quote Nick, in the Conception thread you are noted as saying:”Will you say Elizabeth did not naturally conceive a son? Then since scripture uses the same word why do you say Mary did not conceive?” p.14And again you say, “Jesus is the literal Son of God.” p.9Again, “He is the physical Son of God by the conception through the Holy Spirit in…[Read more]

Quote Jesus Christ is the only proper Son who has been begotten by God, being His Word and first-begotten. (23).What is meant by “proper”?Quote Athenagoras (ca. 175 A.D)And, the Son being in the Father and the Father in the Son, in oneness and power of Spirit, the knowledge and Word of the Father is the Son of God. But if, in your surpassing…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2007,17:24)Hi Not3, No difference noted in the manger and just a scripture wise 12 yo does not portay a superman in embryo.Neither does Isaiah.When are you going to give the glory to God in His anointing of His Son.??Which gives God more glory:1.  Admitting that God annointed a common, puny man to a mission?2.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2007,17:05)Hi not3, You make God appear unfair.And your superman son does not appear in scripturejust an ordinary man made extraordinary by the anointing of God.Ordinary man?  Scripture shows that Jesus was ordinary?  Seriously, brother, God seeks out a virgin and his holy Spirit overshadows her – she conceives – and w…[Read more]

Nothing in life is fair, Nick.I dont' see where God promised that everything would be fair in scripture either. Some he makes for noble uses, others for common.He hardens who he will and shows mercy to whom he will.Fair?And I've never cared for Superman!

Nick, I was giving you a silly answer to a silly question.Romans 3:23For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.Mrs.IM4Truth says there is no way any human being could not sin – Jesus was puny human man – he must have sinned?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2007,17:00)Hi Not3, Must mere humans sin?Oh, yes! At least 20 times a day.

Quote (IM4Truth @ July 18 2007,06:02)There is no way that any Human Being will never sin.Some say Jesus Christ was merely a “human being” but he didn't sin? Hmmmm

I was raised Assembly of God, then became Church of God/Abrahamic Faith. Now I attend the bible college of the Kitchen Table, and I doubt I will ever graduate!