Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,13:43)Hi AP, How wonderful it is that Jesus used simple examples and not the learned lexicons of men.You would never make it as a Berean Nick. It would require too much searching and double-checking for you. You would rather sit back and just rely on the dried ink, it seems.The Spirit guides, yes, however God…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,10:18)Hi not3, Then they should correct their leaders or shake the dust from their feet.PS they deny Satan as well.Yes, denying Satan is a point where I do not agree with them. We studied with them when I was in the Abrahamic Faith congregation. I lean more towards the COGAF congregation but even they have some…[Read more]

Insecurity?What has happend to proving all things?

OH, gotcha.Rest assured that the Christadelphs that I have studied with believe that you must be born again.In fact, all the Delph's I've had contact with believe this fundamental.

Nick,I appreciate that scripture is the wisdom of God. However, can you look to the bible for a definition of preexistenc? Of conception?The bible is written in words.Words have meaning.You can use a dictionary to find out those meanings.What is the problem with this?

Nick, we posted at the same time. Thanks for answering my question.I'm not sure that I don't necessarily disagree with them.I believe the Holy Spirit is who God is.I do believe in water baptism.I believe the baptism of the Spirit is just another way of saying a Christian is born again.There is one God, one Lord, one baptism, one faith……

If I understand correctly, they believe that they Holy Spirit is not a different person than God himself. The Holy Spirit is who God is. I read this thread a long time ago. Why? What was said?

Adam,A seed is always first. From there roots dig deep and then life shoots up!

In other words, Nick, if we cannot decide that trees are green and green is a color in the rainbow – how are we going to discuss trees? Or the color green for that matter, with no reference?

No. I want words to have meaning. I believe they do.You want to change those meanings to suit your theology.

I have.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2007,07:05)Thanks C, Yes an intellectually derived religion that removes the Spirit of God from the work of God.Thanks for bumping this Nick.But can you elaborate on your statement above? Why do you think this?

Beget = produce offspring as a father.Father = male parent, God, originator.Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction.So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God.For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent. Otherwise, it is not a…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 05 2008,01:42)Jesus being begotten means….THAT HE WAS THE ONLY SON OF GOD CREATED DIRECTLY BY GOD's HANDS…Yes god had other sons..but not begotten sons…All of Abrahams sons were begotten by him…THERE IS THE DIFFERENCEIssac was Abe's firstborn son. When Abe had a chat with God telling him he was going to have…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 05 2008,07:29)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,04:57)Hey Art,Quote The words used, of the birth of Jesus, like birth, conceived etc must mean what they are meant to mean – birth, born and conceived. It does not say that which was placed in you, or that pre-existent being that now resides in you by the HS, but that which…[Read more]

Good post Irene.  After a quick look, I can't disagree with anything – good basic stuff.Love, Mandy

So as Christians we have received TWO SPIRITS?

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2008,05:49)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 04 2008,13:40)Kathi,Quote I do believe that the Holy Spirit is able to be present wherever He wants to beANDQuote I do not think that the Son is omnipresent although His spirit is put into the heart of all God's children.Question:  do you believe that the “Holy Spirit” and the spirit of…[Read more]

Because this thread has come up again, here are some good websites for those who are interested in the BU teaching.www.truthortradition.comwww.biblicalunitarian.comwww.restorationfellowship.orgAlso Adam Pastor (member here) has a wonderful site of his own. I believe you can find it by locating his Avatar and PMing him.If other's have resources to…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 05 2008,05:04)Welcome Sis,I always get strengthened by your presence and I feel God's Holy presence and peace every where.AdamYou're very sincere, Adam, and I appreciate you very much.But don't take too much stock in certain ones here, myself included. I've been known to flake-out and question things that I have believed…[Read more]