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Quote (chosenone @ June 20 2008,16:30)You, correcting Gene and I, is like a child correcting his teacher.Such boastings I have heard on this board lately……Of course you are entitled to your opinion of yourself, but I can honestly say that I have learned much from Nick and would never consider him a child in the LORD.Wisdom that comes from…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2008,16:10)DK…..i meant, uses evil for his purposes.Gene,They have moved this discussion to the appropriate thread I created for you guys. See GOOD AND EVIL thread. Thanks, Mandy

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,15:02)Hard words not3That may be, but you still haven't said what exactly your preexisting Son would be sacrificing?What could a life on earth have to compare with glory from God sitting at his right hand?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,15:21)Hi not3,Should we speculate?Certainly he had no glory as a man.Till the revelation seen on the mountain.John said we have seen his glory – the glory of the only begotten Son. So apparently he did have glory as a man?

Hi GM,He had glory.He emptied himself and came.Peter testified God gave him glory on the mountain.So Nick, you think it was “glory” that he emptied himself of?

I guess not.

Ok…….what did he empty himself of though?

Hey Kevin,Sometimes it is comical here, I agree with you. Sometimes I just shake my head and smile at certain ones…. I even laugh at myself every now and then. But for the most part I think we are all still trying to learn more about God and the bible. It's a huge undertaking to want to know who God is. It takes time and many…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,14:33)Hi not3,Before he was a man he emptied himself?Being found as a man (he had already been born), he humbled himself……Some say that the humbling came before he became a man. In other words, in a preexistent lifeform.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,14:23)Hi GM, The earthly son of God seemed to have few earthly riches. Born in a stable he seemed to own less that Adam the original human son.But even if a poor man on earth gave up his life he could count what he would be sacrificing.According to preexistent theory, Jesus wouldn't really be sacrificing a whole…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,14:21)I gave my reason for saying God…John 3:16….tells me all I need to know in this regard….GOD provided the ransom… and thank him everyday for his sacrificeI can picture it now……In the new heaven on earth, Jesus pulls you aside and says, “Hey dude, you didn't think I gave anything up for your…[Read more]

Yes, Nick, he was a man first – then humbled himself.Some say he humbled himself before he became a man.

Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,14:12)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,13:54)Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11)Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,09:16)It matters not what Jesus “sacrificed”…because he was not the one “sacrificing”..or PROVIDING the “ransom”..THIS WAS GOD's PAIN AND SACRIFICE..NOT JESUS'..God gave his son for us out of love. True, it was painful to watch him suffer (I can only imagine the torment of having to watch a child of yours…[Read more]

What do you mean “enough”? Was the sacrifice enough? Of course the sacrifce was enough to please God that is why we are all reconciled back into good standing with him.

LOOK AT NEW TOPICS………..I JUST CREATED A NEW TOPIC FOR “Good and evil”

DK and Adam,Again…..WRONG THREAD for your discussion on good and evil.Sigh. I give up.Mandy

Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11)Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only will of His Father. Heb 7:25-27What are the things that Jesus sacrificed?

DK, I hear ya. Really I do, loud and clear. I understand as parent what God had to go through, believe me I'm touched by the whole Issaac thing myself.But that is not what I'm talking about here. Jesus was a man in his own right. He wasn't just a robot that God operated! He had to give up something or it wasn't a sacrifice at all! Do you…[Read more]