Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2007,11:48)Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 22 2007,10:12)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2007,09:49)Hi Morning Star:The lie was as you have stated and that is:Quote 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: However, you state:Quote Adam and Eve were not naturally immortal.  They needed to eat from the Tree of Life.…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2007,09:49)Hi Morning Star:The lie was as you have stated and that is:Quote 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: However, you state:Quote Adam and Eve were not naturally immortal.  They needed to eat from the Tree of Life.  God told them they would die, because, he knew they would be banished and l…[Read more]

when I use the term god it is the english translation of the plural elohim. God called his sons “god”. This is semantics, language barriers and presuppositions that cause peope to freak out.It is a title like king. It is reflective of a mighty one with a given authority.I don't think Christians will be like God the Father, in power or…[Read more]

To put this post in perspective this is a follow up post to my thread about us becoming morning stars, sons of God, elohim, gods at the resurrection.

Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 22 2007,08:18)Of course he LIED! He wanted to be above GOD….now we see here where he tries to convince Man…GOD's beloved creation to do the same thing.Of, course the fruit gave knowledge of good and evil.   That is probably exactly why GOD did not want them to eat it.  Because when GOD creates something its not created w…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Oct. 21 2007,09:02)MorningStar;Perfection is not discussed much but the scriptures do support your position of ruling with God.  Romans 8:19 says, “The earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the Son of God.”  Jesus also said, the disciple is not above his master, but he that is perfect shall be as h…[Read more]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Oct. 21 2007,06:09)Morning Star  Are you referring to 1 Corinth. 15:28?Peace ans Love Mrs.At the end Yes The Father will be handed over everything. I did not refer to this in my study. But yes I believe it.

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 21 2007,09:11)Hi Morning Star:You make the following comment:Quote The early Christians agree with Kejonn.  But I feel that mostly stims from the fact that Mithra worship was still active.  It was public knowledge, therefore participating in any revelry that day showed your agreement.Today, most people havent the foggiest I…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ Oct. 20 2007,08:18)Hi All,I'm in AZ and had to check in. I read the post of 'morningstar and it really didn't suprise me to see anyone beleiving that we can be gods. It has been Satan's plan all along.  That is the reason he was kicked out of heaven.  That is how sin first came into the world!  You can try to be gods all you wa…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ Oct. 20 2007,08:18)Hi All,I'm in AZ and had to check in. I read the post of 'morningstar and it really didn't suprise me to see anyone beleiving that we can be gods. It has been Satan's plan all along.  That is the reason he was kicked out of heaven.  That is how sin first came into the world!  You can try to be gods all you wa…[Read more]

Well said!I agree with your post completely. However, I think we would both agree that the position I have is not remotely the majority view. But what can we do but follow the evidence the best we can. Which is what I am sincerely doing.Hebrews 11 1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 20 2007,02:03)Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 20 2007,01:49)You Said:The diagoltt has it the same as the KJ version.http://www.thedcl.org/bible/diaglott-nt/ed-john.pdfJoh 17:11  And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me,…[Read more]

You Said:The diagoltt has it the same as the KJ version.http://www.thedcl.org/bible/diaglott-nt/ed-john.pdfJoh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. Scripture does not say “the name that you…[Read more]

This is an improved version of my original post with additonal verses and commentary and some grammatical changes.I have laid out a sequence of verses trying to demonstrate this thesis: That Jesus is the firstborn son of God, an angelic being, one of many sons. The firstborn Son was given Israel as his portion of inheritance and when the other…[Read more]

Quote (jhenTux @ Oct. 19 2007,20:12)here according to wikipedia:Babylon was a city of ancient Mesopotamia, the ruins of which can be found in present-day Al Hillah, Babil Province; Iraq about 80km south of Baghdad.Well we know that Babylon was spoken in a spiritual sense not literal Babylon.

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2007,19:49)Can't say that I know of a scripture that says Peter was in Rome.But not all things are recorded in scripture either.I think this is the closest scripture can come to saying Peter was in Rome.1 Peter 513She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.Peter sending a…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 19 2007,06:53)KJ,Debating is passionate business.  We can point fingers all day long as to who is being judgmental and who is angry – it doesn't benefit anyone, I guess.  I've watched pages and pages of posts go by that are centered around this very thing.  It takes our eyes off the prize, so forgive me for falling into th…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 18 2007,14:58)The celebration of Christmas on December 25 was originally the pagan birthday of Mithras, the sun god, whose day of the week is still known as “Sunday. So if you care to celebrate Christmas, then recognize that you are NOT celebrating Christ's birthday, but Mithras'.or you dont have to care about what day the…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 17 2007,12:21)MS,Here is another fly in your ointment. The ESV supports “sons of God” is Deu 32:8-9

Deu 32:8  When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. Deu 32:9  But the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob h…

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This is where I think alot of the trouble comes from on the part of those who have to find a way to either merge Jesus with the Father or deny the divinity of Jesus.They are worried about a label. Not a biblical label a man made label.I am not trying to avoid any label, rather I am trying to discover truth regardless of any acompanying label.Both…[Read more]