Me tooBut that verse is out of context, that was concerning salvation.Paul often talks of the mysteries of Christ.I think the simpliest and most logical answer to the nature of Christ is:He was the firstborn unique son of God. (out of all the others)He is the fullness and radiance of God's image and glory.He had authority as Prince of Princes.He…[Read more]

John 5:45 45″But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”Luke 24:2727And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to…[Read more]

Quote (Adam Pastor @ Sep. 29 2006,01:27)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2006,21:40)Hi mercy, Did any of them say that Jesus is the angel of the Lord? That is the relevant issue here.I Totally Agree!Plus to those who believe the Angel of the Lord is Jesus … If Jesus is 'the Angel of the Lord' then who is the Angel of the Lord???(Mat 1:20-21)  But…[Read more]

Nick,I feel that I would be not proclaiming the truth if I did not state my position from what I “truly” see the scriptures saying.Maybe, I am wrong but what am I do to? Not believe the evidence staring me in the face. Not follow where I think I am being guided?Can you honestly say that the information I posted a couple pages back does not have…[Read more]

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Point taken.What do you make of the vast numbes of circumstantial evidence? Honestly, what do you think of it in more than one dismissive sentence. I would like to know if you think it has any credance.

do they believe they should only follow the ten commandments and not the remaining 603?Concerning the ten commandments the only one I ever intentionally break is the sabbath #4. Otherwise, the ten commandments seem like fantastic and completely logical rules for life. I often wonder why we don't observe the sabbath. I was taught that we entered…[Read more]

I just posted to huge posts filled with scripture.

The Angel of the Lord”A Study of Theophanies in the Scriptures”Callum BeckIThe Angel of the Lord (lit. Jehovah) oftentimes in the OT is equated with and yet distinct from Jehovah. The passage which may best describe their relation is Isaiah 63:8-9, wherein God is called Israel's Savior, but it is the Angel of His presence that saves Israel. This…[Read more]

The above article has a trinitarian slant. But I do agree with the rest of his conclusions.

Or it is Jesus, who is the very image of the invisible God yet is not God himself. The firstborn with a divine inheritence who was called the word of God in both the old and new testament. THE Son of God whom no other angel is like nor holds a simular authority.Who speaks for the Father but the Word of God? Jesus has been confused for God since…[Read more]

Well said T8, I have learned many things from so many of you guys. This forum should be about seeking the truth. I am completely anonymous here and so are you guys. Lets turn this into a place of sharing, testing and learning. I don't need to be right all the time, in fact, I need to be wrong so that I can find out where I am at error and correct…[Read more]

You are right Nick, and I see what they saw.I do not know beyond doubt. I just see that the glove fits and fits so well that it in my mind it more likely the case than it not being so.This passage really struck me. I see that it also struck the early fathers. Before I knew what Iraneus wrote I had had this exact thought. Then I look back in…[Read more]

THE FIRST APOLOGY OF JUSTIN MARTYR.Chapter LXIII. – How God Appeared to Moses.And all the Jews even now teach that the nameless God spake to Moses; whence the Spirit of prophecy, accusing them by Isaiah the prophet mentioned above, said “The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib; but Israel doth not know Me, and My people do not…[Read more]

In Romans 16:7, Paul wrote, “Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.” Isn't Junias a woman? And wasn't she an apostle? And doesn't that mean that Paul was willing to acknowledge that a woman held a very authoritative position over men…[Read more]

Sorry Adam. I know Jesus existed before the foundation of the earth. I could go into trying to defend my position, but I don't think you would hear it. Besides this forum is filled with apologetics in that direction.I have examined your position in the past and it doesn't fit with scripture. I appreciate your desire to catch me from stumbling.…[Read more]

You are correct. When I said God's word I did not mean necessarily scripture. I did not mean the angel of the Lord dictated scripture.I meant he spoke on God's behalf on the mountains of Hebron and Sinai.

does your answer reflect that you believe the hope of glory has to do with being part of the 144,000?Thus you don't believe you are part of that?

You forgot to answer my question Nick.I did not say he lived in Jesus, I said that the fullness of his being existed in his son. (Or was replicated in his son.)You can't be made in the exact image without having the fullness of that image. It wouldn't be exact if that was the case.3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact…[Read more]

Jesus is the firstborn son of God who revealed God's word to the patriarchs. He was chosen before the foundation of the world to be our messiah. Through his obedience and love for righteousness as the firstborn he inherited the kingdom of God.From the very beginning God was pleased to have his fullness of deity reside within his firstborn…[Read more]