God is the only being who always existed.Jesus and the other sons of God were created.God appointed his sons as gods. God then gave the whole earth to his firstborn son Jesus.Jesus is not equal to the Father but second.The Holy Spirit is not a seperate person. Rather the spirit of the invisible God that moves and opporates with power directly…[Read more]

Polycarp was not a trinitarian.I dont have a handy quote from Polycarp. But I do from Ignatius the other apostle of John.Nor is He a mere man, by whom and in whom all things were made; for “all things were made by Him.” “When He made the heaven, I was present with Him; and I was there with Him, forming , and He rejoiced in me daily.” And how…[Read more]

The confusion comes from the fact that Jesus is God. People assume that they understand what Jewish Monotheism was. The Most High God (El) had sons. Jesus is one of them. God them declared them gods.Jesus the firstborn and preeminent son came as messiah and inherited the whole earth. No longer just israel. The other sons of God (the powers,…[Read more]

For the record I love to address, study and compare scripture. But the whole point of this post was to show that all of us keep posting scriptures back and forth back and forth. Yet, we don't change our positions. We simply understand them differently.I wanted to demonstrate that the early church fathers, I mean the very very early ones, could…[Read more]

You Said:The Christian faith is based on the Bible. Why dont people that dont agree with it just make up there own and start their own religion and leave the bible alone?Arg this is what I meant. I do agree with the bible. Do you see the predicament here. I don't believe I am making up my own. I am leaving the Bible alone.It is all in…[Read more]

Jn 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.My interpretation: When the world was Made Jesus was present, Jesus was with God (El) and Jesus was God(YHWH). They were both a God. God…[Read more]

It really is no use. sighIf you want me to go back and forth with scripture I will.Can you at least acknowledge that it is possible for two people to have different interpretations when reading the exact same verse?If you can, then, my premise is that Polycarp is in a far better position to claim to have the proper understanding. As for me not…[Read more]

I think the future New Earth with have animals. It is a restoration before sin. Animals were part of that.Will particular animals (pets) be ressurected? I have no proof for that and it seems t8 presented some good scripture implying not.

You Said:Disciples of John? LOL. John in his own writings is the biggest supporter of the trinitarian view.And after saying that it doesn't give you the slightest pause? Not even for a moment? “Hey what if I am not interpretating the scripture accurately?”Polycarp was an overseer at Smyrna. We have testimony from Jesus himself that Polycarp was…[Read more]

Polycarp vs. 21st Century Joe TrinitarianPolycarps Credentials:1. Disciple of John the Apostle2. Received many oral and written teachings3. A second generation christian message very new.4. All the other second generation fathers agree with his view of Christ.5. Supports all his teachings from scriptures.21st Century Joe Trinitarian Credentials:1.…[Read more]

You dont understand my friend.He did believe those things.He would quote those very same verses right back at you to prove his views. He happens to have also been taught by John himself.Here is a scenario that happens all the time. Two people will read the same verse and thinks it means different things.It is the interpretation of the verses that…[Read more]

Any Trinitarian care to tackle this directly as in actually adress the question.Are the early fathers and martyrs deceivers?Did they understand the teachings of the apostles?Do their interpretations reflect accurate interpretations of scripture?Could trinitarians simply be mistaken in interpretation. Not purposefully but mistaken none the less?

You Said:Mercy I would rather believe the writers of the scriptures who walked with Jesus and talked with him.This assumes that Polycarp is preaching something different. I don't think he is.Could it be perhaps, Your view, is the one that does not believe the writers of the scriptures.

I think you can hold any of those views and do great things for God. You are missing the point.Knowing Truth!!!You still don't address how come your belief disagrees with the disciple of John the apostle.Honesty is all I ask. I think I asked a very simple straight forward question that all christians who truly seek truth should take pause and…[Read more]

https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=17;t=1062;r=1David,I made a new thread on this under Truth or Tradition.

Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2006,22:52)Hi Mercy.  Long time no see.What are you saying?Quote If it was universal then how did the egyptians and babylonians miss it? I believe this flood topic could use more discussion.  Is there a thread on this…anyone?Hi David,If the flood took place around the year 2358 b.c. (calculated using biblical g…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 15 2006,14:34)Where is the book of Enoch?  I can't find it in the bible  It is in the Bible! Just not your protestant canon. It has been in the ethiopic canon for 2000 years.

Quote (LOT @ Mar. 08 2002,19:43)SOME THOUGHTS    1. WHY DID ANGELS TAKE WIVES WOULD THE NOT JUST FORNICATED WITH DAUGHTERS OF MEN?2. WHY DID JESUS SAY ANGELS DO NOT MARRY AND WE WON'T EITHER IN THE RESURECTION IF INDEED THEY MARIED BEFORE THE FLOOD?3. WHER DID THE SONS OF ANAK, GOLIATH, AND OTHER GIANTS COME FROM BECAUSE GOD WIPED OUT THE GIANTS I…[Read more]

All I do is read the bible, work hard and give everything to the poor. I have come to realize that everything else is of the devil and I am probably accidently doing something pagan as I type this.

David,You Say:Again, just because there are definitley false religions, does not mean they are all false. If you were living in the first century, you would have had to join yourself to those who were God's people back then and be a part of that organization.I did, it's called the body of Christ.