In what follows, some may imagine that he says something plausible against us. “If,” says he, “these people worshipped one God alone, and no other, they would perhaps have some valid argument against the worship of others. But they pay excessive reverence to one who has but lately appeared among men, and they think it no offense against God if…[Read more]

. . . But our Physician is the only true God, the unbegotten and unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the only-begotten Son. We also have as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For “the Word was made flesh.”…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,09:34)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,09:09)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:59)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:52)You know all the verses, probably by heart, that i could throw at you. These boards are filled with them.We both know that it is a matter of interpretation. What is literal, what is figurative, what exactly…[Read more]

God is also the co-creator of ALL things, but he did not create himself either.Like I said, “Everyone can make an interpretation that makes sense.”Now, granted not “every” church father necessarily agrees. But the vast majority do, in particular, all those known to have discipled under apostles.It is my belief that we can gain much insight on…[Read more]

I should clarify, I haven't found anything, I stronlgy disagree with.As time goes on I see more and more changes in doctrine until the explosion of heresies at nicea.

Very good post, seeking truth.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:59)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:52)You know all the verses, probably by heart, that i could throw at you. These boards are filled with them.We both know that it is a matter of interpretation. What is literal, what is figurative, what exactly does that mean.But I on the other hand have the shared opinion of the…[Read more]

angel just means messenger, you know that.Jesus is a son of god. when he gives messages he is called an angel. Jesus was the YHWH the angel of the Lord.semantics.Jesus as an angelGalatians 414and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus.Hebrews 1″Your throne, O…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:48)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:11)This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. I will show you this verse. You probably have read it before and have a theological stance already in place on it’s interpretation.However, the early church fathers disagree with your interpretation if that be the c…[Read more]

I agree with everything you say.The angels are the sons of God.The angels were gods.

Right and his Father El gave him Israel has his inheritence.Then Later gave him the rest of the nations of the earth as well.The Church View: There is one being, creator, unseen, all wise, all-powerful.The Bible View: The God of the Bible is a family of supreme spiritual beings named the Elohiym, which is headed by the omnipotent and Supreme Being…[Read more]

Who are these principalities and powers? Who is the god of this world? They are the soon to be dethroned sons of god, that fell, lost their place among the elohim. Jesus has inherited the whole earth will rule it as king and God for his Father the one and only immortal God who beget him.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:26)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:22)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:21)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:16)We know the angels existed prior to the creation of the world because they sang with Joy when God laid its foundations.  Jesus was part of the whole process of creating the earth and everything in it.Is this…[Read more]

God made his sons gods.What is the definition of Polytheism? Multiple gods. Then yes it is polytheism.But what if Jewish Monotheism meant that Only one God has ever truly existed for all time? The Most High God. If a monothiestic God made other gods would it then become polytheism?Its what the bible said happened.

You said:He he….even though you have selectively quoted Polycarp here the writings STILL strongly affirm the deity of YahshuaThats because I also strongly affirm the deity of Yahshua

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:21)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:16)We know the angels existed prior to the creation of the world because they sang with Joy when God laid its foundations.  Jesus was part of the whole process of creating the earth and everything in it.Is this your evidence proving that the Logos was created??No, my evidence is a…[Read more]

You said:Furthermore, Jesus is the co-creator of “All things” now if he created all things and by him all things consisted and had their origen, then that would not include himself. All things. He didnt create himself.Logically God created all things but did not create himself. Now, you interpret that to mean Jesus must have always existed…[Read more]

We know the angels existed prior to the creation of the world because they sang with Joy when God laid its foundations. Jesus was part of the whole process of creating the earth and everything in it.

Is 1:18,Care to address my very first post directly? I truly am interested in knowing why people reject their opinions especially considering that the issue is not that we don't use the same bibles but rather how we interpret them.

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. I will show you this verse. You probably have read it before and have a theological stance already in place on it’s interpretation.However, the early church fathers disagree with your interpretation if that be the case.Collosians 1:15 15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn o…[Read more]