Was there a time when the Father was not the “Father?”

Mike,

Regarding my last post here, see this as an example:

1 Samuel 3:21

21And the LORD continued to appear at Shiloh, because there He revealed Himself to Samuel by His word (the Only Begotten God, Yahweh our Righteousness).

Mike,

Regarding this:

John 3:16… For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Is John referring to the Father ALONE as “God”?

Do you think that the only begotten Son took a break from being the only begotten God in that verse? Is He not essentially the only…[Read more]

Mike,

Regarding this:

LU:  John is not referring to the Father alone as God.
John 1:18… No one has ever seen God…

Is John referring to the Father ALONE as “God” in those words above?  Your statement above has been debunked.

He was referring to the Father that was not alone.  He had the only begotten God in His bosom.

Mike,

You asked:

KATHI, ARE THE “CREATED BEINGS” WHO ARE CALLED GODS IN PSALM 82 HUMAN SONS OF GOD OR SPIRIT SONS OF GOD?

I don’t think they are humans. I think they are not of this earthly realm but from another realm and possibly given charge over different gentile nations when the language was confused at Babel.

Hi Danny,

Did you respond to my post here:

Hi Danny,

You said: If Jesus is Yahweh then Jesus is His own Father.
OR

Jesus was given His Father’s name.

John 17:11…Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one. 12While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name Y…

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Thanks for your answers. I’m glad that we agree on these points:

The Father and the Word are uncreated spirit beings of the same type.

The Father and the Word are of a different type to the created spirit beings.

Can you agree that the Father and the Word both, individually have the form of god?

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Here is the post again for the second time, please answer:

Would you agree that the Father and the Word are uncreated spirit beings of the same type? Would you agree that they are of a different type to the created spirit beings?

Do you believe that the Father and Son act as two opposing gods

OR

two beings who are both in the form…[Read more]

Would you agree that the Father and the Word are uncreated spirit beings of the same type? Would you agree that they are of a different type to the created spirit beings?

Do you believe that the Father and Son act as two opposing gods

OR

two beings who are both in the form of God acting interdependently towards the same purpose?

Mike,

You asked:

If the Father ALONE can be “God” for John, then there’s no reason that the Father ALONE can’t ALWAYS be “God” for everyone.

John 1:18:

How many are called “God” here, Mike:

No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known.

Is John referring to two persons as…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

Is my last statement above correct, Kathi?

NO. Start from the first page of the topic. Count the verses.

Mike,

Regarding Israel as a “him,” if I remember right, Jerusalem is being referred to within Israel (him/he) and Jerusalem is a “her/she.”

Hi Danny,

You said: If Jesus is Yahweh then Jesus is His own Father.

OR

Jesus was given His Father’s name.

John 17:11…Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one. 12While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. 

Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the da…[Read more]

Mike regarding this post:

LU:  John 14: 7-11

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

Since Jesus is the image of the Father and portrayed the character of the Father, spoke the Father’s words and did the Father’s actions, Philip has essentially seen the Father through all o…

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Hi Mike,

All of God’s spirit sons are made in His image, hence, “Let US make man in OUR image”.

The Bible does not say that all of God’s spirit sons are made in His image. Man is made in His image. It does not say that heavenly beings were made in God’s image. The word “our” in the verse you quoted does not tell us how many are part of the “us.”…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

So many questions from you to answer…I have time for this one:

Kathi, how do you explain these clear contradictions between your doctrine and the Bible?  How do you explain the fact that John 1:18 clearly and undeniably distinguishes the Son as someone OTHER THAN God, whom he made known to us?

If there are two members within a unity a…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

So the answer to my question “Where does Matt 1 say that Joseph begat Jesus?” is no where as you have shown here:

Matthew begins with declaring that he is giving THE BOOK OF Jesus’s GENESIS/ORIGIN stating that he is a son of Abraham and David, and then he starts with giving the genetic lineage of Abraham where it goes all the way to J…

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Hi Jodi,

Where does Matt 1 say that Joseph begat Jesus?

You said:

YHVH had promised that He would be a Father unto a son of David who would come from David’s sons.

Mary’s father was Heli of the line of David.

Jodi says “…according to Matthew, Jesus is a biological son of David and of Isaac and of Abraham through Joseph.”

Jodi is repeating a serious error and was shown otherwise years ago or so. Matthew says no such thing in the genealogy. Of course she may have just forgotten that it was clearly laid out to her that the pronoun “of whom” is in the…[Read more]