Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2010,08:56)The Thinker wrote:Quote The Greek says that we will be heirs together “of Christ.” It does not say that we will be joint heirs with Christ but heirs together of Christ meaning that we will be conformed to His image. Note the phrase, %2That certainly sounds like you are stating that Jesus is not the way to God.…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote Let me ask you two simple questions.1.  If, let's say John, wanted to write a sentence in koine Greek that said, “I love birds and are glad they are a part of 'all creation'”, would the Greek words he used be “pasa ktisis” or not?Answer: That would depend on context. Paul uses “pasa ktisis” to refer to “all mankind.”Mike:Quote 2.…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 07 2010,20:25)Quote (thethinker @ April 07 2010,20:18)Is. 1:18 said:Quote Why are you citing the NIV when the writer of Hebrews quoted from the LXX?Paul,If you read the debate between Mike and I you will see that Mike thinks that the translators of the LXX “misused” words. Mike does not acknowledge the LXX's authority. His…[Read more]

Is. 1:18 said:Quote Why are you citing the NIV when the writer of Hebrews quoted from the LXX?Paul,If you read the debate between Mike and I you will see that Mike thinks that the translators of the LXX “misused” words. Mike does not acknowledge the LXX's authority. His exact words in reference to the LXX is “I don't care.”Mike thinks that if…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 07 2010,11:45)TT,Funny you should say that.When I said my prayers earlier, I said '…to the glory of your Son Jesus Christ, through whom I prayed thhis prayer to you.'Hmm… Doesn't seem like I lack praising the glory of Christ, does it?What did you want from me, anyway, what lesson do you want me to teach you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2010,12:42)Quote (thethinker @ April 07 2010,11:44)Ed J said:Quote The Trinitarians say: Jesus is “The Owner”. The non-Trinitarians reply: Jesus is NOT “The Owner”, Jesus' Father is “The Owner”!The scripture is very clear that Jesus us the “heir” of all things (Hebrews 1). This makes Him the owner.The heir is the owner…[Read more]

Mike,I did not have time today. I will be back.thinker

WorshippingJesus said:Quote oseph was equally Pharoah to the people and he had all authority and power over egypt but Joseph did not sit in the throne.WJ,You are absolutely correct. Pharoah put his own signet ring on Joseph's hand which signified his equality with Pharoah. Then Pharoah said to Joseph, “According to YOUR word it shall be done.”So…[Read more]

Ed J said:Quote The Trinitarians say: Jesus is “The Owner”. The non-Trinitarians reply: Jesus is NOT “The Owner”, Jesus' Father is “The Owner”!The scripture is very clear that Jesus us the “heir” of all things (Hebrews 1). This makes Him the owner.The heir is the owner dude. What world do you live in?thinker

Quote (JustAskin @ April 07 2010,11:19)TT,Why do I always get the feeling you not really after scriptural truth.Are you wounded from your previous post. Do you know noone else to bruise yourself against. Self harm is not admired by God!What is Hebrews 1:10? What does it say,'o mighty one'?JA,Paul said that we must confess Jesus Christ as “Lord” to…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 07 2010,08:04)WJ, TT,What does the scriptures say concerning talking with those who do not have the Spirit of Truth.Does it say that we should continue dialoguing with them till they infect our very spirit?Not continuing to dialogue with Is1 is in no way a failure to be able to respond – Why do yousay that when you both…[Read more]

JustAskin said:Quote We have two here already and are happy with beating the be-jaysus out of them – and they are happy to have the bejaysus beaten out of them.Ha!JA,First, Is. 1:18 was studying the scriptures when you were milking on your mother's breasts. Second, Mikeboll is getting the “be-jaysus” out of him and he is 100 times more compotent…[Read more]

Is. 1:18 said:Quote If the subject changes there is no grammatical cues (only your theological bias) and it is not in keeping with context of the chapter which is about the absolute supremacy of the Son.Exactly!Hello Paulthinker

Mike said:Quote Jesus is the “firstborn of all creation”.  That means he is the first thing God ever created.No! The term “pasa ktisis” in verse 23 means “all mankind” and it means the same thing in verse 6. Jesus is not the brother of birds.Mike:Quote The fact that birds are not called “sons of God” doesn't mean they are not a part of God's…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2010,16:21)Quote (thethinker @ April 01 2010,07:19)I noticed that you did not answer the rest of my post about Jesus rewarding those who do good with the resurrection of life and those who do evil with the resurrection of damnation.Hi Thinker,Quote Isaiah 49:4 NIVBut I said, “I have labored to no purpose; I have spent…[Read more]

Mike,This is my second post in reply to your post last night. I am turning the heat up on you. Yesterday you said that Jesus is no longer a man but has become a spirit creature. This would mean that He is no longer the Son of Man. Yet the name still applied to Him after He stopped being a man. He said that the “Son of Man” will come in the glory…[Read more]

thethinker said:Quote For you to insist that Jesus is the firstborn brother in relation to the whole created order is absurd.  Mike replied:Quote When did I say that?You have been properly instructed by the JW's and by myself that the term “firstborn” means “eldest son.” You knowingly and wrongfully insist that Jesus is the firstborn of the whole…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2010,11:23)Quote (JustAskin @ April 02 2010,19:12)WJ,I have not gone away.Nor am I avoiding your questions…by the way, they are a distraction rather than pointed.We've debated these points in Trinitarian (Part 2). Remember when you were 'too busy' to answer and let TT front you.The arguments you are now…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ April 03 2010,10:24)Ahhh the Dynamic duo (WJ and The Thinker) or is it the dumbed down duo. You two should go on the road. In fact lay down on the road and I will start my truck. LOLMartian,This is the best you got? Hows about you start your spaceship and take off for Mars and rejoin your fellow martians. thinker

Quote (JustAskin @ April 03 2010,09:06)TT,What did I say to you. Go back to arguing with someone else who you can boost your ego. I am not that man.TT, 'you are my fun, Today, I have forgotten you!'JA,If you could answer my points you would want to expose me and not get rid of me. You want thethinker to leave because you are no match for him.…[Read more]